[Congressional Record: May 22, 2002 (House)]
[Page H2902-H2926]
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                             RESOLUTION 428

  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that I may be allowed 
to include extraneous material immediately following my remarks on the 
rule that has earlier passed.
  The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is there objection to the request of the 
gentleman from Wisconsin?
  There was no objection.

                              {time}  1845

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Isakson). Pursuant to House Resolution 
428 and rule XVIII, the Chair declares the House in the Committee of 
the Whole House on the State of the Union for the consideration of the 
bill, H.R. 4775.

                              {time}  1845

                     In the Committee of the Whole

  Accordingly, the House resolved itself into the Committee of the 
Whole House on the State of the Union for the consideration of the bill 
(H.R. 4775) making supplemental appropriations for further recovery 
from and response to terrorist attacks on the United States for the 
fiscal year ending September 30, 2002, and for other purposes, with Mr. 
Thornberry in the chair.
  The Clerk read the title of the bill.
  The CHAIRMAN. Pursuant to the rule, the bill is considered as having 
been read the first time.
  Under the rule, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young) and the 
gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) each will control 30 minutes.

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  The Chair recognizes the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young).
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may 
  (Mr. YOUNG of Florida asked and was given permission to revise and 
extend his remarks.)
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to bring to the 
House the 2002 Supplemental Appropriations Bill. This is the first 
appropriations bill that we will be considering this year, and it 
should prove to be an interesting experience.
  The Committee on Appropriations ordered this legislation reported 
last week. The bill is extremely important, and I believe it will enjoy 
broad bipartisan support. It is extremely important, Mr. Chairman, 
because this is a wartime supplemental appropriations bill. This is to 
pay for our wartime activities in Afghanistan and other places that our 
military troops might be deployed. This is a wartime appropriations 
bill to repay our military services for the monies they have already 
expended from their fourth quarter accounts.
  This is an extremely important bill in that it also, besides 
providing money for the Defense Department, provides for our homeland 
security. As we get further away from September 11, we may be tempted 
to forget what happened on that day in the United States of America. 
But, Mr. Chairman, we were attacked. Our people were attacked. We are 
going to fight back. We are going to finance our effort to fight back.
  The President of the United States is doing an outstanding job in 
leading our Nation in the prosecution of the military campaign. He is 
doing an outstanding job in leading our Nation in seeking out terrorist 
organizations wherever we can locate them and proceeding to bring them 
to justice. So it is a very important bill, Mr. Chairman. However, over 
the last 5 weeks, some of the focus has gotten lost on this important 
bill. It has been sort of like a ship growing barnacles. Everyone knows 
this is a must-pass bill, and there are probably 435 ideas of what 
should be added to or subtracted from it. But I want to remind everyone 
again, the focus of this bill is and must continue to be that this is a 
wartime supplemental appropriations bill. It provides money for our 
troops. It provides money for our intelligence community. It provides 
money for the safety and security of our people and our community. It 
provides support for the victims of the attack in New York at the World 
Trade Center. And it provides funds to promote the U.S. foreign policy 
to prevent future attacks.
  The committee reported a bill that provides $29.387 billion and half 
of that, or $15.8 billion, is for the Defense Department to continue to 
prosecute the war on terrorism. This bill supports the President. It 
fully funds his requirements for national security, foreign policy; and 
it provides an additional $5.5 billion in support for recovery in New 
York. There is $1.77 billion in additional funds for the Defense 
Department to pay for costs relating to the mobilization of the Guard 
and Reserve forces and to cover their operational expenses.
  It provides for our country's biggest concern, securing our homeland, 
by providing $5.8 billion. That is $522 million above the President's 
request. It ensures that our nuclear assets can be secured and that law 
enforcement and our first responders, who are so important in providing 
for the safety of our people in our community, have adequate 
information to prevent, hopefully, or, if necessary, to respond to acts 
of terrorism.
  It also gets the Transportation Security Administration up and 
running so that the traveling public will be safe. We have all heard 
the concerns raised over the past few days that the FBI had information 
that somehow was left out of security briefings for the President. The 
most important thing we can do to protect our country and our 
constituents from future attacks is to ensure that law enforcement and 
our intelligence community and the Commander in Chief, the President of 
the United States, have timely access to accurate and complete 
  I have been to the FBI; and my friend and colleague, the gentleman 
from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) has been to the FBI. We have seen firsthand 
their antiquated technology equipment that needs to be enhanced, that 
needs to be updated, that needs to be brought into today's world. We 
looked at this closely and determined that the President's request did 
not provide enough for that purpose. So in the terrorism supplemental 
last year we added $132 million above the President's request for the 
FBI's information technology, and this supplemental bill contains an 
additional $100 million above the President's request for additional 
technology enhancement for the FBI.
  At this point, there will be some who try to assess the blame. We are 
here to find solutions and to provide the funding necessary to put 
those solutions in place.
  Now, in addition to defense and homeland security, we had a shortfall 
in the Pell grant program, an important program for the education of 
our young Americans. We added $1 billion to provide funding for the 
Pell grant program.
  Our leadership, on a bipartisan basis, asked for funding to pay for 
the election reforms that we enacted earlier this year. So we added 
$450 million for that purpose. We increased the President's budget 
request for defense by $1.8 billion. In the committee, added by 
amendment, was $250 million for Israel and for humanitarian relief for 
the Palestinians. We have added $275 million over the President's 
request for veterans health care.
  Mr. Chairman, we did not just spend the money. We had offsets. We had 
offsets of $1.8 billion more than the President's budget request had 
asked for. And so, Mr. Chairman, this is a good supplemental bill. It 
is well within the budget limits placed on us by the 2002 budget 
  I hope that we can consider this bill as what it is, a wartime 
emergency supplemental. I hope that we are not distracted by the other 
issues that were debated heatedly during the consideration of the rule. 
Let us focus today on this wartime emergency supplemental for our 
troops, for our security agencies, for our intelligence agencies, for 
the FBI and for the President of the United States to be able to do the 
things that we are demanding that he do, and that is to make America 
secure and to seek out those who perpetrate or would perpetrate 
terrorist attacks against our Nation.

                                 H.R. 4775--2002 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS ACT
                                             [Dollars in thousands]
                                                                                           Bill compared  with
                                         Budget  request        Recommended  in bill             request
             CHAPTER 1

Food Safety and Inspection Service  ........................                    2,000                    +2,000
 (contingent emergency)...........
Food and Nutrition Service:                          75,000                    75,000   ........................
 Special Supplemental Nutrition
 Program for Women, Infants, and
 Children (WIC)...................
Animal and Plant Health Inspection  ........................                   10,000                   +10,000
 Service: Salaries and expenses
 (contingent emergency)...........
Natural Resources Conservation                       -9,000   ........................                   +9,000
 Service: Watershed Rehabilitation
 Program (rescission).............


Food and Drug Administration:       ........................                   18,000                   +18,000
 Salaries and expenses (contingent
General Provisions: Export          ........................                 -450,000                  -450.000
 Enhancement Program (limitation)
 (sec. 101).......................
      Total, chapter 1............                   66,000                  -345,000                  -411,000
             CHAPTER 2
General Administration: Salaries                      5,750                     5,750   ........................
 and expenses (emergency).........

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United States Marshals Service:     ........................                    1,000                    +1,000
 Salaries and expenses (contingent
Federal Bureau of Investigation:                     10,000                    10,000   ........................
 Salaries and expenses (emergency)
    Contingent emergency..........  ........................                  102,000                  +102,000
Immigration and Naturalization                       35,000                    35,000   ........................
 Service: Enforcement and Border
 Affairs: Salaries and expenses
    Contingent emergency..........  ........................                   40,000                   +40,000
Office of Justice Programs:         ........................                  175,000                  +175,000
 Justice assistance (emergency)...


Office of the United States Trade
    Salaries and expenses           ........................                    1,100                    +1,100
     (contingent emergency).......
    European Communities Music                        3,300   ........................                   -3,300
     Licensing Dispute............


Export Administration: Operations                     8,700   ........................                   -8,700
 and Administration (emergency)...
National Institute of Standards                       4,000                     4,000   ........................
 and Technology: Scientific and
 Technical Research and Services
National Oceanic and Atmospheric                    (24,000)                  (24,000)  ........................
 Administration: Fisheries Finance
 Program Account (limitation on
 direct loans)....................
    Negative subsidy..............                   -3,000                    -3,000   ........................
Departmental Management: Salaries                       400                       400   ........................
 and expenses (emergency).........

           THE JUDICIARY

Supreme Court of the United                          10,000                    10,000   ........................
 States: Care of the Buildings and
 Grounds (emergency)..............
United States Courts of Appeals                         857   ........................                     -857
 for the Federal Circuit: Salaries
 and expenses (emergency).........
Courts of Appeals, District                           3,143                     3,143   ........................
 Courts, and Other Judicial
 Services: Salaries and expenses
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                    3,115                    +3,115


Administration of Foreign Affairs:
    Diplomatic and Consular                          51,050                    51,050   ........................
     Programs (emergency).........
    Capital Investment Fund                           2,500   ........................                   -2,500
    Educational and Cultural                         10,000                    10,000   ........................
     Exchange Programs (emergency)
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                   10,000                   +10,000
    Embassy Security,                               200,516                   200,516   ........................
     Construction, and Maintenance
    Emergencies in the Diplomatic                     8,000   ........................                   -8,000
     and Consular Service
International Organizations and
    Contributions to International                    7,000                     7,000   ........................
     Organizations (emergency)....
    Contributions for                                43,000                    43,000   ........................
     International Peacekeeping
     Activities (emergency).......


Broadcasting Board of Governors:
    International Broadcasting                        7,400                     7,400   ........................
     Operations (emergency).......
    Broadcasting capital            ........................                    7,700                    +7,700
     improvements (contingent


Securities and Exchange                              20,000                    20,000   ........................
 Commission: Salaries and expenses
  Contingent emergency............  ........................                    9,300                    +9,300
      Total, chapter 2............                  427,616                   753,474                  +325,858
             CHAPTER 3

Military Personnel: Military                        206,000                   206,000   ........................
 Personnel, Air Force (emergency).
Operation and Maintenance:
    Operation and Maintenance,                      107,000                   107,000   ........................
     Army (emergency).............
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                  119,000                  +119,000
    Operation and Maintenance,                       36,500                    36,500   ........................
     Navy (emergency).............
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                   17,250                   +17,250
    Operation and Maintenance, Air                   41,000                    41,000   ........................
     Force (emergency)............
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                   19,500                   +19,500
    Operation and Maintenance,                      739,000                   739,000   ........................
     Defense-Wide (emergency).....
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                   12,975                   +12,975
    Defense Emergency Response                   11,300,000                11,300,000   ........................
     Fund (emergency).............
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                1,393,972                +1,393,972
    Other Procurement, Army                          79,200                    79,200   ........................
    Aircraft Procurement, Navy                       22,800                    22,800   ........................
    Procurement of Ammunition,                      262,000                   262,000   ........................
     Navy and Marine Corps
    Other Procurement, Navy                           2,500                     2,500   ........................
    Procurement, Marine Corps                         3,500                     3,500   ........................
    Aircraft Procurement, Air                        93,000                    93,000   ........................
     Force (emergency)............
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                   36,500                   +36,500
    Procurement of Ammunition, Air                  115,000                   115,000   ........................
     Force (emergency)............
    Other Procurement, Air Force                    752,300                   735,340                   -16,960
    Procurement, Defense-Wide                        99,500                    99,500   ........................
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                    4,925                    +4,925
Research, Development, Test and
    RDT&E, Army (emergency).......                    8,200                     8,200   ........................
    RDT&E, Navy (emergency).......                   19,000                     9,000                   -10,000
    RDT&E, Air Force (emergency)..                   60,800                    60,800   ........................
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                   39,000                   +39,000
    RDT&E, Defense-Wide                              74,700                    52,000                   -22,700
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                   20,000                   +20,000
General Provisions:
    General Transfer Authority                   (1,000,000)  ........................              (-1,000,000)
     (sec. 305)...................
    MH-47 Helicopters (contingent   ........................                   93,000                   +93,000
     emergency) (sec. 308)........
    Chemical Demil (contingent      ........................                  100,000                  +100,000
     emergency) (sec. 309)........
    Rescissions (sec. 310)........  ........................                  -59,000                   -59,000
      Total, chapter 3............               14,022,000                15,769,462                +1,747,462
             CHAPTER 4
        Operating Expenses

Division of Expenses:
    Public education system         ........................                 (-37,000)                 (-37,000)
    Human Support Services:         ........................  ........................  ........................
        Child and Family Services   ........................                  (11,000)                 (+11,000)
        Department of Mental        ........................                  (26,000)                 (+26,000)
    Repayment of loans and          ........................                  (-7,950)                  (-7,950)
     interest (rescission)........
    Certificates of participation.  ........................                   (7,950)                  (+7,950)
      Total, chapter 4............  ........................  ........................  ........................
             CHAPTER 5

Corps of Engineers--Civil:          ........................                  128,400                  +128,400
 Operation and Maintenance,
 General (contingent emergency)...

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Energy Programs: Science            ........................                   29,000                   +29,000
 (contingent emergency)...........
National Nuclear Security
    Weapons Activities (emergency)                   19,400                    19,400   ........................

        Contingent emergency......  ........................                  106,000                  +106,000
    Defense Nuclear                 ........................                    5,000                    +5,000
     Nonproliferation (contingent
Environmental and Other Defense
    Defense Environmental           ........................                   67,000                   +67,000
     Restoration and Waste
     Management (contingent
    Defense Facilities Closure      ........................                   16,600                   +16,600
     Projects (contingent
    Other Defense Activities                          7,000                     7,000   ........................
      Total, chapter 5............                   26,400                   378,400                  +352,000
             CHAPTER 6
     Funds Appropriated to the

United States Agency for
 International Development:
    Child Survival and Health       ........................                  200,000                  +200,000
     Programs Fund (contingent
    International Disaster                           40,000   ........................                  -40,000
     Assistance (emergency).......
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                  190,000                  +190,000
    Operating Expenses of the                         7,000                     7,000   ........................
     United States Agency for
     International Development
Other Bilateral Economic
    Economic Support Fund                           525,000                   460,000                   -65,000
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                  250,000                  +250,000
    Assistance for the Independent                  110,000                   110,000   ........................
     States of the Former Soviet
     Union (emergency)............
Department of State:
    International Narcotics                         114,000                   120,000                    +6,000
     Control and Law Enforcement
    Migration & Refugee Assistance  ........................                   10,000                   +10,000
     (contingent emergency).......
    Nonproliferation, Anti-                          83,000                    83,000   ........................
     Terrorism, Demining and
     Related Programs (emergency).


Funds Appropriated to the
    Foreign Military Financing                      372,500                   366,500                    -6,000
     Program (emergency)..........
    Peacekeeping Operations                          28,000                    20,000                    -8,000


Funds Appropriated to the                          -157,000                  -159,000                    -2,000
 President: Special Payments to
 the International Financial
 Institutions (rescission)........
General Provisions: Rescission      ........................                  -60,000                   -60,000
 (sec. 602).......................
      Total, chapter 6............                1,122,500                 1,597,500                  +475,000
             CHAPTER 7

Bureau of Land Management:          ........................                      658                      +658
 Management of Lands & Resources
 (contingent emergency)...........
United States Fish and Wildlife     ........................                    1,443                    +1,443
 Service: Resource Management
 (contingent emergency)...........
National Park Service:
    Operation of the National Park  ........................                    1,173                    +1,173
     System (contingent emergency)
    Construction (contingent        ........................                   19,300                   +19,300
United States Geological Survey:    ........................                   25,700                   +25,700
 Surveys, Investigations, and
 Research (contignent emergency)..
Bureau of Indian Affairs:
    Operation of Indian Programs    ........................                      134                      +134
     (contingent emergency).......
        Rescission................                  -10,000                    -5,000                    +5,000
    Indian trust fund management    ........................  ........................  ........................
Departmental Offices: Departmental  ........................                      905                      +905
 Management: Salaries and expenses
 (contingent emergency)...........


Smithsonian Institution:
    Salaries and expenses           ........................                   11,000                   +11,000
     (contingent emergency).......
    Construction (contingent        ........................                    2,000                    +2,000
      Total, chapter 7............                  -10,000                    57,313                   +67,313
             CHAPTER 8

Employment and Training                             750,000                   300,000                  -450,000
 Administration: Training &
 Employment Services (contingent


Health Resources and Services                       -20,000   ........................                  +20,000
 Administration: Health Resources
 and Services (rescission)........
Centers for Disease Control and     ........................                    1,000                    +1,000
 Prevention: Disease Control,
 Research, and Training
 (contingent emergency)...........
National Institutes of Health:                      -30,000                   -30,000
 Buildings and facilities
Administration for Children and     ........................                      500                      +500
 Families: Children and Families
 Services Programs (contingent


Student Financial Assistance......                1,276,000                 1,000,000                  -276,000
      Total, chapter 8............                1,976,000                 1,271,500                  -704,500
             CHAPTER 9
     House of Representatives

Committee Employees: Standing       ........................                    1,600                    +1,600
 Committees, Special and Select...
Library of Congress: Copyright                        7,500                     7,500   ........................
 Office: Salaries and expenses

            Joint Items
       Capitol Police Board

 Capitol Police: General Expenses   ........................                   16,100                   +16,100
 (contingent emergency............
      Total, chapter 9............                    7,500                    25,200                   +17,700
            CHAPTER 10

Military Construction, Air Force    ........................                    8,505                    +8,505
 (contingent emergency............
Military Construction, Defense-     ........................                   21,500                   +21,500
 wide (contingent emergency)......
      Total, chapter 10...........  ........................                   30,005                   +30,005
            CHAPTER 11

Office of the Secretary:                           (128,123)                 (128,123)  ........................
 Transportation Administrative
 Service Center (obligation
Transportation Security                           2,455,000                 2,305,000                  -150,000
 Administration: Salaries and
 expenses (emergency).............
        Contingent emergency......                1,945,000                 1,545,000                  -400,000
                                                  4,400,000                 3,850,000                  -550,000
U.S. Coast Guard: Operating                         189,000                   189,000   ........................
 Expenses (emergency).............
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                   21,000                   +21,000

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                                                    189,000                   210,000                   +21,000
Acquisition, Construction, &                         66,000                    66,000   ........................
 Improvements (emergency).........
        Contingent emergency......  ........................                   12,000                   +12,000
                                                     66,000                    78,000                   +12,000
Federal Aviation Administration:
    Operations (transfer                           (100,000)                  (25,000)                 (-75,000)
    Grants-in-aid for airports      ........................                  200,000                  +200,000
     (contingent emergency).......
Federal Highway Administration:                     167,000                   167,000   ........................
 Federal-Aid Highways, Emergency
 Relief Program (Highway trust
 fund) (emergency)................
Federal Motor Carrier Safety
    Border Enforcement Program                       19,300                    19,300   ........................
     (Highway trust fund)
    Hazardous materials security    ........................                    5,000                    +5,000
     (Highway trust fund)
     (contingent emergency).......
                                                     19,300                    24,300                    +5,000
Federal Transit Administration:                   1,800,000                 1,800,000   ........................
 Capital Investment Grants
Research and Special Programs                         3,500   ........................                   -3,500
 Administration: Research and
 Special Programs (emergency).....
General Provisions:
    Airline loan program            ........................                 -393,000                  -393,000
     limitation (sec. 1103).......
    Air carrier compensation (sec.  ........................                 -250,000                  -250,000
     1104) (rescission)...........
      Total, chapter 11...........                6,644,800                 5,686,300                  -958,500
            CHAPTER 12

Federal Law Enforcement Training    ........................                   15,870                   +15,870
 Center (contingent emergency)....
Financial Management Service (sec.  ........................                  -14,000                   -14,000
 1201) (rescission)...............
Internal Revenue Service: Business  ........................                   14,000                   +14,000
 Systems Modernization (sec. 1201)
United States Secret Service        ........................                   46,750                   +46,750
 (contingent emergency)...........


Payment to the Postal Service Fund                   87,000                    87,000   ........................

             AND FUNDS

Appropriated to the President:
    Office of Administration                          5,000   ........................                   -5,000
    Office of Management and        ........................                     -750                      -750
     Budget (rescission)..........
    Election Administration Reform  ........................                  450,000                  +450,000
     and Related Expenses.........


Federal Election Commission.......  ........................                      750                      +750


Real Property Activities: Federal                    51,800                    51,800   ........................
 Buildings Fund (emergency).......
General Activities: Policy and                        2,500   ........................                   -2,500
 Operations (emergency)...........
      Total, chapter 12...........                  146,300                   651,420                  +505,120
            CHAPTER 13

Veterans Health Administration:
    Medical Care..................                  142,000                   417,000                  +275,000
    Medical and Prosthetic                           -5,000   ........................                   +5,000
     Research (rescission)........


Public and Indian Housing: Housing  ........................                 -300,000                  -300,000
 certificate fund (rescission)....
Community Planning and
    Rural Housing and Economic                      -20,000   ........................                  +20,000
     Development (rescission).....
    Community Development Fund                      750,000                   750,000   ........................
Housing Programs: Rental Housing    ........................                 -300,000                  -300,000
 Assistance (rescission)..........



National Institute of Health:       ........................                    8,000                    +8,000
 National Institute of
 Environmental Health Sciences
Agency for Toxic Substances and     ........................                   11,300                   +11,300
 Disease Registry: Salaries and
 expenses (emergency).............
Environmental Protection Agency:                     12,500   ........................                  -12,500
 Hazardous Substance Superfund
Federal Emergency Management
    Disaster relief (emergency)...                2,750,000                 2,750,000   ........................
    Disaster assistance for unmet   ........................                   23,320                   +23,320
     needs (contingent emergency).
    Emergency management planning                   326,728                   151,700                  -175,028
     & assistance (emergency).....
National Science Foundation:                         19,300   ........................                  -19,300
 Education and Human Resources
      Total, chapter 13...........                3,975,528                 3,511,320                  -464,208
      Grand total (net)...........               28,404,644                29,386,894                  +982,250
          Appropriations..........               (1,513,300)               (1,975,350)                (+462,050)
          Emergency appropriations              (24,447,344)              (24,091,099)                (-356,245)
          Contingent emergency                   (2,695,000)               (5,341,195)              (+2,646,195)
          Rescissions.............                (-251,000)              (-1,177,750)                (-926,750)
          Offsets.................  ........................                (-843,000)                (-843,000)

  Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 10 minutes.
  Mr. Chairman, I wanted to first of all congratulate the chairman of 
the committee, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young), for doing his 
usual good job in trying to produce a bipartisan bill.
  As members of the committee know, our committee worked for 6 weeks 
and produced a bipartisan bill. And I want to tell you some of the 
things that it did to correct some of the chaos that we see in some of 
the agencies that are dealing with counterterrorism.
  We found out that the Department of Energy had asked for $380 million 
to upgrade security so that weapons of mass destruction and nuclear 
material would be less susceptible either to terrorist attack or theft. 
OMB only approved 7 percent of that money. The committee provided the 
amount that was needed.
  We also discovered that the Immigration and Naturalization Service 
had asked for $52 million because they had the reasonable idea that we 
ought to be able to determine which immigrants, or which persons here 
on visas I should say, had overstayed their visas; visas had expired; 
they had been asked to leave the country and, yet, had refused to do 
so. The INS wanted $52 million to set up a system to stop that 
nonsense. The OMB denied it all. The committee put in enough money to 
deal with the problem.
  The FBI, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young) has indicated that we 
discovered after September 11, the FBI had a great need for computer 
modernization. We discovered, for instance, that less than half the 
computers at the FBI could be used to send a picture of a suspected 
terrorist from one FBI office to another around the country. So last 
year, over the threat of a veto by the President of the United States,

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we inserted enough money to see to it that that problem was corrected. 
As a result, Operation Trilogy will be up and running by the end of 
this summer, and we will have that capacity at the FBI.
  In January, the FBI asked for an additional $635 million to secure 
their records and to take other actions necessary to protect against 
terrorism. OMB denied 625 of the $635 million, and the committee 
corrected that. In the last bill last year, we provided enough funds so 
that the Corps of Engineers could provide additional security for the 
hundred most vulnerable Federal sites in the country. The Corps of 
Engineers asked for an additional $128 million to deal with threats to 
additional sites. OMB denied it. The committee moved to take care of 
  We also saw the chaos at the Transportation Security Administration, 
very well described in the committee report. That planning has been so 
bad that the agency, for instance, suggested that we ought to be paying 
the guards who are looking over the shoulders of screeners at airports 
up to $84,000 a year, more than local mayors, more than airport 
directors would be paid in those same towns. It provided for 650 
additional headquarters staff people here in Washington. And yet the 
budget request provided no money to house the new screening equipment 
that airports are supposed to install. So there would have been no way 
that we could have met the deadlines for having that equipment up and 
running. And the administration requested insufficient dollars to make 
certain that cockpit doors are fully secure by the end of the calendar 

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  So the committee took actions to correct that.
  The OMB also turned down the request from the Department of Defense 
for $790 million to avoid the demobilizing of 20 percent of the Guard 
and Reserve forces who presently are filling slots on the border, in 
ports, on a temporary basis until people can be trained to take their 
place, and the committee took action to fix that problem. So I think 
that we had a good bipartisan product.
  Now, there were problems with the bill after it emerged from the full 
committee. We did have an amendment offered by the distinguished 
majority whip, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay), which gave the 
President the authority to use our military forces to invade The 
Netherlands, if necessary, in order to extract Americans who might be 
held by the World Court.
  I have a chart here labeled Tom DeLay's Proposed Invasion of The 
Netherlands. Gives you some idea of where The Hague is and what will be 
required by way of carrier capacity, tanker capacity, if we were to 
invade The Netherlands. If somebody wants to take that seriously, feel 
free. I think that it leaves us open to considerable ridicule. But in 
spite of that I was willing to support this bill. But then we had the 
leadership attach this ridiculous rule to this bill which provided a 
convenient device by which the Nation's indebtedness could be raised by 
$750 billion without any Member ever having voted on it directly, and 
they also imposed the House budget resolution, which will mean, I 
guarantee you, we will not have enough resources to produce 
appropriation bills that the House will pass.
  So we have seen again, and this has happened often in this House, we 
have seen an original bipartisan piece of legislation emerge from this 
committee, and we have seen it fundamentally screwed up by adding 
extraneous items that have no business on an appropriations bill.
  So I think we are going to be here a long time because some of us 
feel that the ability of the House to proceed in an orderly and fair-
minded fashion is worth arguing about, and we will be doing that 
through a series of actions that we will be taking and amendments that 
we will be offering.
  I do ask one additional question. As I said, we have had 116 of our 
Republican friends offer a resolution requiring that a three-fifths 
vote of this House be required in order to raise the indebtedness of 
the United States, and yet we have seen this flip-flop action here 
today, and I would ask the following Members, Representatives Aderholt, 
Bachus, Barr, Barton, Bilirakis, Blunt, Bono, Brady, Bryant, Calvert, 
Cantor, Chabot, Crane, Culberson, DeLay, Doolittle, Dunn, English, 
Forbes, Gekas, Goodlatte, Graves, Hayworth, Herger, Baker, Bartlett, 
Bass, Boehner, I can't read that signature, Cannon, Castle, Chambliss, 
Cunningham, Deal, DeMint, Duncan, and all the others whose names I put 
in the Record earlier, I would ask them how they can go home to their 
constituents and tell them that they are going to vote to require a new 
higher threshold of votes on this House before the Nation can be 
plunged into more indebtedness and then engage in the flip-flop that 
they engaged in today whereby they have guaranteed that we will see a 
huge increase in national indebtedness when this bill comes back from 
the Senate?
  I find that to be quaint and interesting.
  Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the 
distinguished gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Kingston), a member of the 
  Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from Florida (Mr. 
Young) for allowing me to speak tonight and I stand in support of this 
  This bill does 3 things, and it all goes back to that horrible day, 
9/11. This bill continues the war on terrorism. This bill continues the 
battle for homeland security, and it helps rebuild our beloved national 
city of New York.
  Just remember, the American people will never forget September 11 and 
what this Congress has done immediately after 9/11 to start the battle. 
We will never forget the brave who died. We committed ourselves almost 
immediately to make sure that Osama bin Laden and all the terrorists 
around the globe would not be victorious.
  This bill tonight is part of that battle. This bill has $15.77 
billion to support our troops, and I had the opportunity, with the 
gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Kolbe), the chairman of the Subcommittee on 
Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Programs of the 
Committee on Appropriations, to go on a bipartisan basis to 
Afghanistan. We went to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Pakistan. We visited 
4 of our bases, and we met with our troops, we met with Afghan 
soldiers, and I can say that they appreciate what the United States of 
America is doing. They are happy that we are there.
  Their biggest concern is will we stay committed, and this bill 
tonight helps show the world that we are committed, not just behind our 
troops but behind the people over there so they can have a secure 
future. But the battle is not just in central Asia; it is all over the 
streets of America.
  So the second thing this bill does is help secure our homeland. One 
of the things that it does is work with local law enforcement personnel 
to track down any potential suspicious terrorists or activities on a 
local level. This bill also helps secure everybody who is traveling; 
$850 million to help check for baggage, explosives and detection 
systems; $630 million for baggage screeners; $75 million for security 
enhancements at U.S. ports. And I just want to talk about this.
  Not all of us are traveling. Prior to 9/11 there were 1.2 million 
Americans in the air at any given day. Nowadays it is about 800,000, 
and what this does is it secures our airlines even further, but also 
our ports.
  I am from Savannah. Last year in Savannah, we had 1 million 
containers come in. Of the 1 million, only 1 percent were actually 
screened and checked as to what their contents were. This bill helps 
expand that so that our ports can be secure.
  It also strengthens our communities for any other disasters, working 
with EMS facilities and giving the local hospitals the support that 
they need and the expertise.
  Our war against terrorism is not going to be over until every city in 
America is safe. As somebody told me, this war is about making sure we 
can go to Wal-Mart and not have to worry, and I think that that is 
something we all have to keep in mind.
  Finally, in this bill is $5.5 billion to help rebuild the great New 
York City, and that is going to be a long job, and I think it is 
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  There are some other things in this bill that are less high profile 
but very important, and one of the things is there is $1.6 million for 
additional staff and resources for the Permanent Select Committee on 
Intelligence, and one of the issues that has come up recently is do we 
need a blue ribbon committee to study what went wrong on 9/11 and how 
can we do a better job.
  Well, this bill addresses that because we already have an existing 
intelligence committee. It is bipartisan. One chairman is Bob Graham of 
Florida, a Democrat. Another chairman is the gentleman from Florida 
(Mr. Goss), a Republican. A bipartisan committee that has been working 
since January to look into 9/11. It is bicameral, Senate and House 
together, and it is comprised of experts. This bill addresses that, and 
I urge my colleagues to support this legislation.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield 5\1/2\ minutes to the distinguished 
gentlewoman from New York (Mrs. Lowey).
  Mrs. LOWEY. Mr. Chairman, I thank the ranking member for yielding me 
the time, and I also want to take the opportunity to thank our chairman 
of the committee, and to me it has been a pleasure to work with the 
gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Kolbe), the chairman of the Subcommittee on 
Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Programs, and I rise 
to address the foreign operations component of this bill.
  The foreign operations portion of the supplemental contains $1.6 
billion for various priorities and provides for the vast majority of 
the administration's requests. I am particularly pleased that the 
committee did not grant the broad waivers sought by the administration 
along with these funds but, rather, included specific waivers where 
  This bill will give the President the broad latitude and flexibility 
that he sought to carry out the war on terrorism. While many have 
expressed concern that unnecessary funds for foreign operations were 
added to the bill, in excess of the President's request, I believe the 
funding added by this committee is extremely important.
  In light of the fact that the committee received few details as to 
how the funding requested will actually be spent, we were well within 
our discretion to provide what we thought was necessary. I strongly 
support the additional funding in this bill for rebuilding Afghanistan, 
a long-term commitment we simply cannot shortchange, and I also support 
the additional funds provided for Israel.
  The bill contains both military and economic assistance to a number 
of countries outside the immediate area of Afghanistan, such as the 
Philippines, Georgia and Yemen, where United States troops are or will 
be engaged in training indigenous forces to combat terrorism. The 
committee has approved funding in these instances with the clear 
expectation that the administration will keep Congress fully informed 
of any change or expansion in the role of the United States forces. I 
hope this will indeed be the case.
  As I said before, I strongly support the additional assistance to 
Israel that is included in this bill. Maintaining Israel's security and 
stability has long been a fundamental priority of the United States 
foreign policy. Israel has devoted precious resources to fighting the 
terror that continues to threaten its own citizens, 3 of whom were 
murdered just this week by suicide bombers, and the country is a key 
democratic ally in our war against terror.
  This funding originally requested by the State Department as part of 
its supplemental request to OMB is essential to ensure our key partner 
in the Middle East remains strong. I urge my colleagues to oppose 
amendments to cut this funding.
  I would like to take a moment to discuss 2 specific items of concern. 
First, the current status of fiscal year 2002 funds for the United 
Nations Population Fund. The conference agreement on the fiscal year 
2002 foreign operations bill provided $34 million for the organization, 
a deal that was painstakingly negotiated. The administration knew about 
our negotiations, and after the bill passed the House by an 
overwhelming margin, the President signed it on January 10, 2002.
  Only after signing the bill did the administration express concern 
about as-yet unproven allegations that UNFPA supported coercive family 
planning practices in China in violation of U.S. law. In a direct 
challenge to clear congressional direction, the President waited 5 
months to even investigate these claims, and UNFPA was forced to cut 
its staff and curtail its life-saving programs around the world.
  During committee consideration of this bill, the gentleman from 
Arizona (Mr. Kolbe) and I offered an amendment which would have ensured 
that UNFPA received the funds intended for it by July 10, 7 months 
after the signing of the bill, unless the President determines that the 
organization is in violation of the U.S. law.
  I am deeply disappointed that the Committee on Rules left this 
provision and another dealing with UNFPA unprotected. In my judgment, 
it was inappropriate to single out this particular issue while allowing 
the bill to come to the floor with highly controversial provisions 
regarding the International Criminal Court, the budget resolution and 
Medicare provider payments.
  I anticipate the Senate bill will have something to say about UNFPA, 
and I look forward to discussing it in conference.
  I am also disappointed that the rule did not allow me to offer an 
amendment increasing funding to address the global AIDS crisis. While 
this bill already contains $200 million for HIV/AIDS, a clear 
indication that Congress recognizes the emergency nature of the crisis, 
we can and should be doing more. Applications to the Global Fund to 
Combat Infectious Diseases have far exceeded the fund's resources, and 
this situation will only get worse as time goes by. Our own bilateral 
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  Our response to this tragedy must be as expansive as the pandemic 
itself so that we stop the wholesale destruction that AIDS is causing 
in Africa and will cause in other areas around the world.
  As a global leader, we have the responsibility to take the 
initiative, jolting other donors into contributing more. Again, I 
anticipate that the Senate bill will far exceed ours, and I look 
forward to discussing this in conference as well.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the 
gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers), the distinguished chairman of the 
Subcommittee on Transportation of the Committee on Appropriations.
  Mr. ROGERS of Kentucky. Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman for 
yielding me this time, and I rise in support of the bill.
  This bill provides much-needed appropriations for the Department of 
Transportation, particularly the new Transportation Security 
Administration and the U.S. Coast Guard. The bill also provides $1.8 
billion in additional expenses for the City of New York to address its 
transit needs in the wake of 9-11. And I am pleased that we were able 
to provide the vast majority of requested funds for all DOT agencies, 
except the TSA; and that is a special case.
  The administration requested $4.4 billion in supplemental funds, but 
the request made a curious statement. It admitted that OMB did not have 
a clue whether or not $1.9 billion, almost half of the amount, was 
necessary. It asked Congress to write a blank check for that amount and 
let OMB figure it out later. Well, Mr. Chairman, that is not the way we 
do things on the Committee on Appropriations. We expect the 
administration to justify their request, all of it, in great detail. 
While some of that material is now being developed and being presented, 
it is clear much more work remains to be done. Because of that lack of 
supporting justification, the committee was unable to support the full 
request for contingency emergency funding for TSA.
  Members should know that unless a change in direction is made, the 
TSA will be monstrous in size. When this agency was established last 
year, we thought we were creating an agency of about 33,000 people. The 
current estimate now is almost 70,000. We are planning to create a vast 
army of new Federal workers, some of whom would do nothing more than 
check your driver's license and airplane ticket or run your shoes over 
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hire over 3,000 people just to sit in a chair and make sure someone 
does not run the wrong way down an exit lane.
  Mr. Chairman, there has to be a better way. I do not intend to 
recommend funds for a 70,000-man bureaucracy full of shoe runners and 
exit-lane watchers. Technology can obviate the need for thousands of 
these positions, and others are not the purview of TSA or simply not 
essential. So I believe strongly that TSA needs to look more carefully 
at its growth plans, and I will continue to press them as the fiscal 
year 2003 appropriations process unfolds.
  This supplemental bill asks TSA to begin that review now. We provide 
full funding for the procurement and installation of bond detection 
systems at airports. In fact, we even raise those funds because the 
request, we thought, was inadequate. But we have not provided funds to 
build up that 70,000-man agency. The bill caps staffing at no more than 
45,000 full-time positions. I believe that anyone who reviews TSA's 
plans in detail, as I have, will conclude that this is sufficient for 
the first year of that agency. In fact, it is about twice the number of 
people who were performing screening activities just 1 year ago.
  I am pleased that the bill provides even more funding than requested 
by the Coast Guard, an agency on the front line of the fight for 
homeland security. We provide the FAA flexibility to address operating 
budget shortfalls which stem from extra security expenses at air 
traffic control facilities, and we provide additional funds for review 
of truck drivers who apply to drive hazardous materials within the 
country. These are all vitally needed transportation security 
improvements, and I am pleased we were able to fund them, especially 
given the tight budget constraints placed on us in this bill.
  Mr. Chairman, I think this is a good bill given the constraints 
placed on the committee, and I ask Members to support it.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the distinguished 
gentleman from California (Mr. Farr).
  Mr. FARR of California. Mr. Chairman, I rise with some concern about 
the process here in the United States House of Representatives. I am a 
proud member of the Committee on Appropriations, and I am proud of the 
work we do there. I am also very proud of the Chair, who I think 
manages that committee very fairly. But something happened on the way 
through the process here that stinks.
  The committee worked very hard to try to pay for the needed costs of 
what has happened in this country since we were here last year, the 
unexpected costs; and that is why this bill is needed. This is an 
emergency bill. It provides additional funds to pay for essentially 
contingencies that were not anticipated; and as we have heard, 9-11 is 
the biggest of those. But also there is an old adage here that says 
this is the only train that is going to make it all the way to the 
White House, and if you want to be on that train, you better load up.
  I think that the committee did a good job of making sure that this 
was not a big pork process and that it did not load up too much; and 
that is always a tough bipartisan effort to put out a good bill. But 
after the bill was put out of the committee, it went to the Committee 
on Rules, and there the word came down that this bill was going to be 
beefed up. It was going to be loaded up, and it was going to take care 
of the political problems that certain Members of this House were 
  I am from California, and we all know that California is facing a big 
financial problem. It is in debt. It is a big State, the biggest 
producer of taxes in the United States, and the biggest contributor of 
taxes to the Federal Government. It is a State that probably can take 
credit for the surge in the economy in the last decade, and a State 
that was hardest hit in the recession, particularly to the dot-com 
industry that was such a success.
  So that is why the State is in debt. Its revenues just did not meet 
expectations. It had incredible costs to pay for energy, costs that we 
are now seeing were not the State's problem, but a manipulation of the 
market by the private sector. Yet we find in California that we have a 
lot of hard-liners who feel that we ought to have constitutional 
amendments on requiring a balanced budget, as we do in California. The 
State is not allowed to go into debt; and, therefore, the legislature, 
at this moment, is cutting like mad and in fact doing some tough 
political things in an election year. They are even raising some new 
  But Members of the California delegation who are here in the other 
party have come out in signing a resolution, H.J. Res. 86, introduced 
this year, to amend the United States Constitution to require a two-
thirds vote if we are to raise the debt limit. But guess what, they are 
the ones, the first ones to criticize a Democratic Governor in 
California and then turn around in this House, put their name on a 
resolution to require a constitutional amendment to do the same as 
  But this bill, because of the way it was amended in the Committee on 
Rules, it allows them to essentially duck a vote on the debt increase, 
a huge debt increase, of the Federal Government. We have a dozen 
Republicans from California that are coauthors of that bill who now run 
away from the responsibility of having a balanced budget to allow the 
United States Government to go into a big deficit. That is wrong. It is 
the wrong way to handle this emergency appropriations bill.
  We will see in the debate tonight a sort of in-your-face; that if you 
do not vote for this bill, you are not voting for the soldiers; if you 
do not vote for the bill, you are not voting for the firemen; if you do 
not vote for this bill, you are not voting for a half dozen other 
particular interests out there. That is not the reason why a lot of 
people are going to vote against this bill. The reason is that this 
process has been corrupted by essentially hijacking a legitimate bill 
and making it a bill with all kinds of other political riders on it, 
the kind of process that we around here always complain about; that we 
ought to be fair and open and full of transparency. The process was 
hijacked. And it is not the fault of the appropriators; it is not the 
fault of the good work of the Committee on Appropriations. It is the 
fault of the Committee on Rules taking mandates from Republican 
leadership. That is wrong.
  I just hope that tonight, as the debate goes on, that people realize 
this was a good bill, put out by a good committee, and it was hijacked 
along the way to do wrong for the United States and to do evil in the 
budgetary process. This essentially takes money that is in our Social 
Security account, takes money that is in the Medicare account and 
requires those monies to be spent on things that should not be spent on 
by those accounts.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the 
distinguished gentleman from Alabama (Mr. Callahan), the chairman of 
the Subcommittee on Energy and Water.
  (Mr. CALLAHAN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
  Mr. CALLAHAN. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me 
this time.
  First, let me say I have great admiration for the chairman, the 
gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young), and for the efforts he has put into 
this bill, as well as those of the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) 
representing the minority of this House.
  Secondly, as I approach the last year of my tenure here in the 
Congress of the United States, I just want to tell my colleagues that 
today is a classic example of how great this institution is. In America 
and in every democracy, a majority rules. Just a few minutes ago I was 
in the well of this House arguing against something on a principle that 
I believe very deeply in, and I lost, because a majority rules. When 
this bill passes it will be because a majority of us will vote for it. 
And if a majority votes for it, it will go on to the Senate.
  But this is a great institution, filled with great people, with great 
minds, with great Americans, who have one thing in common, and that is 
we all want to do what is best for America.
  As I listen to the debate on this floor each week, I hear the 
Democrats on the one hand saying this is not the right avenue to take. 
And I hear my majority Republican Party saying this is the avenue we 
should take. But very seldom do we have different destinations. We are 
all trying to get to the same corner of the room. Now, the Democrats, 
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the left to get there; and the Republicans choose to go to the right to 
get to, guess what, the same destination.
  There is no doubt that we want to do everything we possibly can in 
this war on terrorism. There is no doubt that we all want to support 
the President of the United States to make certain that the 
administration has ample facilities and ample resources to provide the 
services they need to provide to the American people. It is only right 
that we disagree, but it is only right that a majority rules. And while 
I was defeated in my quest to change the rule to move in a different 
direction, a majority of the Members of this House voted to tell me 
that they disagreed with me, and I respect that.
  I will have amendments tonight to change the direction of this bill, 
amendments that will reduce some sections of this bill I do not like. 
But guess what, I have $378 million for energy and water in this bill, 
which is vitally needed by the areas of government that my committee 
has jurisdiction over. There are so many good things in this bill, and 
there are a few things that I wish were not in there. So a majority 
should prevail there too, Mr. Chairman.
  As we debate this issue tonight to decide whether we ought to vote 
"yes" or "no" on final passage, we weigh the good over the bad. And 
while these are some things that I disagree with in here, the good in 
this particular case outweighs the bad.
  So as I leave, I respect this institution. I respect all of my 
colleagues. I respect the great tradition of this House. And I respect 
that we live in a democracy where we can differ, but, nevertheless, in 
a democracy where a majority rules. And that is what America is all 
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from 
Georgia (Mr. Lewis), the distinguished deputy whip.
  Mr. LEWIS of Georgia. Mr. Chairman, I want to thank my friend and my 
colleague, the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey), for yielding me 
this time.
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  The Republicans are trying to sneak in a provision that increases the 
debt ceiling without a full, fair, open and honest debate. Apparently 
the other side, the majority party, are hiding something. What are they 
hiding? What is the great secret?
  The American people deserve to know that the funds for a debt limit 
increase will come directly from the Social Security trust fund. We 
need to protect Social Security and ensure that we meet our obligations 
today. Instead, the majority party, the Republicans, are stealing from 
the Social Security trust fund and increasing our national debt every 
chance they get. For the next 10 years, we will increase the debt by 
more than $300 billion. Something is wrong with that.
  This party, the Republicans, are mortgaging the future of our 
children. They are ripping away the safety for our Nation's seniors. 
Increasing the debt limit is like increasing the credit limit on your 
credit card. What does this do? It just puts you in a deeper and deeper 
hole. That is what the Republicans are doing. So do not be fooled. They 
are putting us in deeper debt and it is their obligation to get us out 
of it. We should not spend Social Security on anything other than 
Social Security. American families work hard to pay into a system that 
they should be able to count on when they retire. Social Security is a 
sacred trust, a sacred covenant between the American people and our 
government. We must never, never, ever take away the security out of 
Social Security. Let us keep our promise to the American people.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman 
from Ohio (Mr. Regula), the distinguished chairman of the Subcommittee 
on Labor, Health and Human Services and Education.
  (Mr. REGULA asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
  Mr. REGULA. I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
  Mr. Chairman, I want to point out to my colleagues that this bill 
contains $1 billion for the Pell grants. Why? Because more Americans 
are seeking these grants. This amount ensures that every qualified 
student applicant will receive a Pell grant and this can spell the 
difference of more opportunities for a better job and a chance to 
participate more fully in the American dream. I think it is vitally 
important that we approve the legislation with this particular feature 
in the bill.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the 
distinguished gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Wolf), chairman of the 
Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State and Judiciary.
  Mr. WOLF. Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of this legislation. 
The bill includes $112 million for the FBI, which is $102 million above 
the request of the administration; but it will help the FBI do what 
they have to do. The recommendation also includes $10 million for the 
foreign terrorist tracking task force, a multiagency effort to prevent 
terrorists from coming into the country. We certainly need that as 
quickly as possible.
  $75 million is recommended for the INS, $40 million above the 
request. Again the administration was low in its request. You cannot 
complain about the INS and then not fund its necessary programs, 
including $49 million to address the shortfall in the immigration 
inspection account; $25 million to bolster efforts to track and 
apprehend people who have absconded on deportation orders; and $1 
million to continue development of an entry-exit system.
  The bill also has $175 million for the Justice Department for State 
and local first responder equipment, training and planning needs. This 
funding is provided to the Department of Justice as authorized by the 
USA Patriot instead of being provided to FEMA as requested.
  For the State Department and the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the 
bill includes a total of $337 million for critical embassy security and 
public diplomacy needs. After September 11, a lot of attention has been 
paid to the inadequacy of public diplomacy efforts. We are not doing an 
adequate job of telling America's story to the world and communicating 
effectively with the foreign public. To improve this effort, the bill 
includes $52.6 million for information, exchange and broadcasting 
programs of the State Department and the Broadcasting Board of 
Governors, $27.7 million above the request. The amount also includes 
$17.5 million for information programs, $20 million for international 
exchange programs, $7.4 million for the continuation of the Radio Free 
Afghanistan, and $7.7 million to expand the reach of the Middle East 
Radio Network.
  Then in closing, the bill also includes $20 million for 100 
additional positions at the SEC to address the immediate and urgent 
need for increased oversight of the accounting industry.
  Finally, the bill includes a provision authorizing the closed circuit 
transmission of the Moussaoui trial to victims of the September 11 
attacks, and we also provide the requisite funding for that.
  Mr. Chairman, this is a very important and an emergency issue. I urge 
quick passage of the bill, hopefully through the Senate and to the 
President for his signature.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from 
Washington (Mr. Dicks).
  Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I rise to engage in a colloquy with the 
gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Wolf) and the gentleman from New York (Mr. 
Serrano) concerning INS fee collections.
  Mr. WOLF. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. DICKS. I yield to the gentleman from Virginia.
  Mr. WOLF. I would be pleased to engage in a colloquy with the 
gentleman from Washington and the gentleman from New York.
  Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, the fiscal year 2002 Commerce Justice State 
appropriations bill authorizes the Attorney General to charge and 
collect a $3 fee per individual for immigration inspection and 
preinspection activities related to commercial ships.
  It is my understanding that it was not the intent of this provision 
to levy additional costs on regularized commuter ferry traffic between 
foreign countries and the United States and that it was this concern 
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ferries operating on the Great Lakes between Canada and the United 
States in the legislation. I would like to bring to the committee's 
attention another region of the United States that I believe should be 
provided an exemption from this fee. Several passenger ferries operate 
between Washington State and Canada carrying passengers, cars and 
freight daily between the two countries. The new fee would 
significantly increase ferry ticket prices charged to commuters and 
  It had been my intent to offer an amendment to this bill exempting 
certain ferry vessels from this fee. However, the committee has 
indicated that it would prefer to deal with this issue comprehensively 
in the fiscal year 2003 Commerce Justice State appropriations bill. I 
would like to ask the gentleman from Virginia and the gentleman from 
New York if my understanding accurately reflects their intention.
  Mr. WOLF. I would say, Mr. Chairman, the gentleman from Washington is 
absolutely correct. It was our intent to differentiate these commuter 
vessels from cruise ships. As part of the fiscal year 2003 
appropriation process, we absolutely will explore legislative 
exemptions to ensure that the fee does not have unintended 
consequences. I thank the gentleman for bringing this to our attention. 
We will take care of it.
  Mr. SERRANO. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. DICKS. I yield to the gentleman from New York.
  Mr. SERRANO. I agree with the gentleman from Virginia and look 
forward to working with him and the gentleman from Washington to ensure 
that this fee is fairly and equitably imposed.
  Mr. DICKS. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentlemen very much for engaging 
in the colloquy.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the 
distinguished gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. Istook).
  Mr. ISTOOK. I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time and for 
the opportunity to speak in favor of this legislation that is before 
  Mr. Chairman, as it has been mentioned, there are three purposes 
behind this bill: it is a wartime supplemental. First, to pay for the 
expenses, the huge expenses of our war against terrorism. Secondly, to 
pay the major expenses of homeland security to protect the United 
States borders and the people in the country. And, third, to provide 
the emergency assistance for those that have suffered through these 
disasters relating to terrorism.
  I rise to address some of the elements relating to homeland security. 
We did not begin just after September 11 to try to address homeland 
security. Our subcommittee, among other things, funds the U.S. Customs 
Service. Even before September 11, we had allocated major funds to put 
285 additional agents of the Customs Service at our borders, to add $33 
million in inspection technology to examine the cargo that is coming 
into the country, looking for dangerous substances as well as drugs 
that could be sought to be brought in. Then we continued this process 
in the supplemental that we passed in December, not only paying for 
recovery and restoration of the offices that were destroyed in New York 
City but also beefing up the air and marine operations of the Customs 
Service, providing the funding with which the Customs Service is 
already adding over 300 additional special agents, over 600 additional 
border inspectors and the support people to go along with it.
  There is another $68 million in the technology to be able to examine, 
without having to open all the containers, the cargo that comes into 
the country; and the major expansion of the training that is necessary 
for the people that are coming in as new Federal law enforcement 
people. This supplemental continues those efforts. For example, the 
Federal law enforcement training center in Georgia has to train some 
6,000 investigative personnel of the Transportation Security 
Administration. This bill has the funding for those personnel. It has 
additional funding to add more security at the Federal buildings under 
the supervision of the General Services Administration which is the 
landlord for our Federal Government. It has some $87 million to help 
pay for better filtration equipment and other items to protect workers 
in the postal system against the threats of anthrax or any other 
substance that someone might send as part of a terrorist act through 
the mail.
  There are major other elements of this bill trying to protect our 
Nation, trying to secure our borders, to detect and deter and halt 
threats before they get into the United States of America. This is a 
major and significant effort. I want to thank Chairman Young and 
everyone who has been responsible for making these resources available 
to better secure our homeland.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished 
gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Visclosky).
  Mr. VISCLOSKY. I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
  Mr. Chairman, I want to express my concern about the procedures used 
to bring this important legislation to the House floor and the lack of 
inclusion in doing so. I would point out in the rule that was adopted 
earlier today in this Chamber, section 1404 was added to the underlying 
legislation relative to the treatment of certain counties for the 
purpose of reimbursement under the Medicare program. I do not rise 
today to express my opposition to the inclusion of those counties if 
relief is necessary for them. I rise in opposition to a point that 
other counties were not included as well.
  The fact is, under this legislation, counties in Lackawanna, 
Pennsylvania; Luzerne, Pennsylvania; Wyoming, Pennsylvania; Columbia, 
Pennsylvania; Lycoming, Pennsylvania; and Mercer, Pennsylvania, were 
included. Hospitals in Orange County, New York, were included. 
Hospitals in Dutchess County, New York, were included.
  On November 7 of last year, I wrote to the chairman of the Committee 
on Ways and Means explaining that Porter Memorial Hospital in Porter 
County, Indiana, was experiencing similar difficulty as far as an 
inequitable reimbursement under their classification in Medicare 
reimbursement. On January 22 of this year, I received a response from 
the honorable chairman indicating that he had received my 
communication, that hearings would be held and I would be notified. On 
February 5 of this year I wrote to the chairman of the Committee on 
Ways and Means and asked that we be allowed to testify on behalf of 
Porter Memorial Hospital in Porter County, Indiana.

                              {time}  1945

  Subsequent to February 5, no hearings were held that I am aware of. 
We were not asked to provide any materials for justification as far as 
the arguments for Porter Memorial Hospital. But tonight, on May 22, I 
find out that we have 8 hospital counties in the States of Pennsylvania 
and New York whose problems are being rectified tonight. That is not 
fair. That is not inclusive in this legislative process. Porter 
Memorial Hospital in the State of Indiana, in the County of Porter, is 
as deserving.
  I would hope as this session proceeds that the representations made 
by the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means on January 22 that 
hearings were going to be held and that action on this vital issue to 
Porter Memorial Hospital would be taken.
  The fact is that Porter Memorial Hospital is located very near 
Chicago, Illinois. Their costs of providing care to residents in that 
area are comparable to the City of Chicago, Illinois, but the 
reimbursements are not. There is a differential for an adjoining county 
between Cook County, Illinois, and Porter County, Indiana. That is Lake 
County, Indiana, and that places the people at Porter County in a 
further disadvantage. I would hope that this problem is rectified.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the 
gentleman from New York (Mr. Walsh), the distinguished chairman of the 
Subcommittee on VA, HUD and Independent Agencies of the Committee on 
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from Florida (Chairman 
Young) for being a champion for my State, New York.
  As a number of Members have mentioned, there are 3 goals to this 
supplemental. I would like to address the New York City component of 
that. We remember well President Bush's pledge to do whatever it takes. 
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$20 billion was discussed. There was a lot of discussion, a lot of 
contention about that in the last supplemental. The President said, "I 
am good for my word." The chairman said the President's word is good. 
I said the President's word would be good. And the President's word is 
as good as gold. In fact, this brings the total appropriation for New 
York City to $21.5 billion.
  There is $5.5 billion additional in this for the reconstruction and 
recovery of New York, $1.8 billion for transportation, $2.75 billion 
for FEMA, and $750 million for HUD. The HUD fund, CDBG funds, have 
enabled New York City to begin to put itself back together again and at 
the same time retain the businesses and the residences of the people 
who live in that Lower Manhattan neighborhood.
  I was there just 2 weeks ago, and I was there the Friday after the 
attack, with President Bush. It is a remarkably different place. Then 
it was total devastation. Today the World Trade Center site looks like 
a construction site. It is hallowed ground, clearly, but New York is 
back to work.
  Is there more to do? There is lots more to do. Decisions have not yet 
been made on what to do at that site. But the fact of the matter is the 
neighborhood is alive, it is vibrant, and it is New York City again. It 
has that hum in Lower Manhattan.
  So the President kept his promise, the Congress is keeping its 
promise, and it is a remarkable thing to see the vibrancy of that city 
  Is there more to do? Yes. Is there planning to be done at the World 
Trade Center site? Yes. But the New Yorkers will make that decision, 
with the help of the Federal Government and the people of the United 
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from 
Pennsylvania (Mr. Fattah).
  Mr. FATTAH. Mr. Chairman, I was very supportive of the supplemental 
appropriations bill as we worked our will in committee under the quite 
able leadership of our chairman and ranking member. I am, however, 
somewhat concerned about the rule and the self-executing nature of the 
various amendments to this, particularly the one related to the debt 
ceiling and the like.
  I just want my colleagues on the Committee on Appropriations to know 
that I think the original work of the committee as reported 
represented, I think, an appropriate response to a number of issues 
facing the country at this time, and I was particularly pleased with 
the work that was done to help the District of Columbia meet some of 
the needs that have been associated with September 11 in terms of 
police overtime and the like. I just want to thank the chairman and the 
ranking member for their work on those important matters.
  As we conclude our work, I would hope that in the future we would not 
have these types of add-ons. But it is part of the process, 
unfortunately, and we will have to work our will here on the floor. But 
the committee deserves, I think, appropriate thanks from the House for 
the original work that was done.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my 
time. I do so to yield to my friend, the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. 
Smith), for the purpose of a colloquy.
  Mr. SMITH of Michigan. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. I yield to the gentleman from Michigan.
  Mr. SMITH of Michigan. Mr. Chairman, first may I compliment the 
gentleman and his committee on his efforts to get needed support to our 
first responders, our firefighters, so they can better prepare for any 
terrorist attack that may occur.
  Mr. Chairman, as the gentleman knows, the President's fiscal year 
2003 budget request proposes consolidating existing preparedness 
programs under the Office of National Preparedness within the Federal 
Emergency Management Agency. This is a proposal Congress will be 
addressing in the coming months.
  However, a concern I have is that the first responder supplemental 
grant funding for fiscal year 2002 in this bill goes to the Department 
of Justice. I understand the reason behind providing Justice with 
funding, but I hope it does not mean that the anti-terror needs of 
firefighters and emergency medical personnel will be implemented 
without the input of the U.S. Fire Administration, which is part of 
  Can the chairman provide some assurance that he and his House 
conferees will take into account the needs of firefighters and EMS 
personnel as it distributes these supplemental funds?
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, the gentleman 
makes a good point. There is no question, as we watched on television 
as the recovery and the first response in New York City and at the 
Pentagon unfolded before our very eyes, we saw the importance of the 
first responders in not only protecting property, but especially saving 
lives. So I would have to tell the gentleman we are still in the 
process of figuring out the best division of responsibility among the 
various agencies for providing assistance to first responders, which we 
are going to do. There is no question about that.
  I agree with the gentleman from Michigan that we have to involve 
those agencies with responsibility for assisting firefighters and EMS 
personnel to help assure that they are prepared. I can assure the 
gentleman that the Committee on Appropriations will continue to work to 
make sure it takes into account the needs of firefighters and EMS 
personnel, as well as law enforcement officers, when it considers how 
to distribute the supplemental funding in this bill and in the fiscal 
year 2003 appropriations bill.
  Mr. SMITH of Michigan. Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman will yield 
further, I thank the chairman for his statement, and certainly all his 
personal support for our first responders and law enforcement personnel 
in this Nation.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, I thank the 
gentleman for this opportunity to have that colloquy.
  Mr. SCHIFF. Mr. Chairman, I rise today in support of emergency 
security assistance to our democratic ally Israel. The $200 million in 
supplemental assistance to Israel contained in the FY 2002 Supplemental 
Emergency Appropriations bill provides vital emergency resources to a 
key U.S. ally and a frontline state in the war against terror.
  Mr. Chairman, it became painfully evident after September 11 that 
Israel and the United States are engaged in a common struggle against 
terrorism. Neither country asked for this struggle; both have 
constantly chosen a path of peace when given the choice. Israelis must 
know that the U.S. stands with them in this difficult hour, as they 
have repeatedly stood with this country throughout the years.
  The United States has never been more resolved to eliminate the 
threat of terrorism against innocent civilians and free society. The 
democratic State of Israel stands shoulder to shoulder with the United 
States in this effort. Terrorist attacks against innocent Israeli 
civilians are taking place on a constant basis. In the face of terror, 
Israel is attempting to rout out the forces that threaten the daily 
lives of its citizens. But Israel continues to suffer a systematic and 
deliberate campaign of terror aimed at inflicting as many casualties as 
  Mr. Chairman, as the world's leading democracy, we have a 
responsibility to stand by a democratic friend and ally threatened by a 
wave of terrorist aggression. At this volatile stage of developments in 
the Middle East, Israel needs to know that it can count on U.S. 
security assistance.
  Mr. STARK. Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to H.R. 4775, the 
Supplemental Appropriations Bill. For the last few years supplemental 
appropriations bills have been brought to the floor to cover 
shortcomings in the previous year's appropriation bills. Increasingly, 
these bills have strayed from their original purpose of merely 
appropriating funds for certain programs. Instead, they make changes in 
policy, create new regulations, or implement new and completely 
unrelated laws. This bill continues this unfortunate trend. It sends 
billions of dollars in foreign aid to other countries, cuts funding to 
low-income and elderly housing, and includes specific Medicare 
"fixes" for hospitals in the districts of three Republican House 
members. Most egregious of all, the bill raises the federal debt limit 
to let the government keep spending money above what we should.
  The Republicans have a problem and they don't know what do about it. 
Their irresponsible tax cut has eaten up so much of the government's 
resources that we are about to exceed the federal debt limit. Rather 
than admit that they caused this problem, the Republicans have slipped 
language into the bill to raise the debt limit without anyone knowing. 
In other words, they've taken a page from Ken Lay's book: cover up 
irresponsible spending

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with hidden accounting tricks. What a disgrace.
  Keeping up these tricks, the Republicans want to send $1.4 billion in 
aid to foreign countries four months ahead of time in order to dodge 
the budget bullet. There is simply no justification for this funding. 
Even worse, the bill further relaxes controls that prevent human rights 
violators from receiving military assistance.
  And the bill doesn't stop there. Listen to this: we're going to give 
Israel $200 million to continue destroying Palestinian infrastructure 
while at the same time giving the Palestinians $50 million to rebuild! 
The bill relaxes restrictions on aid to Colombia despite its ongoing 
human rights violations in its war against revolutionaries within its 
own boarders. It even appropriates $1.8 billion in military funding 
above the President's request.
  The Republicans naturally need a method to pay for all this new 
spending and they have proposed to do so in two ways: first, as I've 
already described, they want to raise the debt limit. Second, they want 
to cut valuable programs here at home. For example, the Republicans 
have cut $300 million for low-income and senior housing in order to pay 
for this bill. In doing so, they turn their backs on 13 million 
Americans who spend more than half of their income on substandard 
  This bill wastes more of our precious resources and then covers up 
for it with hidden, below-the-table gimmicks. I will vote against this 
awful bill and urge my colleagues to do the same.
  Mr. HOEFFEL. Mr. Chairman, once again the GOP leadership in the House 
has taken a necessary bipartisan effort to fund our war on terror and 
bolster our homeland security, and riddled it with partisan budgetary 
maneuvers including a thinly veiled provision that would permit an 
increase in our nation's debt ceiling.
  This supplemental appropriations bill includes $15.6 billion in 
necessary military and defense-related expenditures to fight the war on 
terror, and another $13.6 billion for homeland security, financial help 
for rebuilding efforts in New York City, and foreign assistance, 
including $200 million for Israel--all necessary expenditures that I 
support and will vote for.
  However, the rule for this legislation includes seemingly innocuous 
language that would allow a huge increase in the debt ceiling to be 
inserted in the conference report without a separate vote. This is 
  Raising the debt ceiling, coupled with the current reckless fiscal 
policy of increasing spending while reducing tax revenue, will put us 
on the track for a fiscal train wreck.
  This will plunge this country back into a level of debt, borrowing, 
and higher interest rates that we thought we had permanently left 
behind. In just a year, we have seen actual and projected surpluses 
erased. Today, the most recent analysis suggests that we will run a 
$300 billion non-Social Security deficit in this fiscal year. Even if 
we spend Social Security dollars to fund the government--a policy that 
I adamantly oppose--we will still run a $150 billion deficit this year.
  Our debt ceiling is like a limit on a credit card, and if we keep 
raising it without taking action to put our fiscal house back into 
order, we are heading for fiscal disaster. It is not prudent for a 
family in financial trouble to seek a higher limit on the family credit 
card nor should Congress impose a long-term debt ceiling increase 
without a sound fiscal plan.
  I would support a time-limited increase in our debt limit to help 
fund our war efforts--possibly one to three months--but that must be 
accompanied by a budget summit between leaders of Congress and the 
Administration to put our budget back into order and prevent us from 
further fueling our debt with money from the Social Security and 
Medicare Trust Funds.
  While the supplemental bill is generally a good bill--absent the 
provisions contained in the rule--I am troubled by one particular 
provision. In order to keep the cost of the bill under $30 billion, the 
bill drafters offset $643 million of the costs by striking airline loan 
guarantees that Congress passed after 9/11. These guarantees are a 
matter of survival for the airlines, particularly US Airways. I will 
work with my colleagues in the Senate to see that this language is not 
included in the conference version.
  Although I support this supplemental spending, I will quite possibly 
vote against it in a conference report if an unfettered debt ceiling 
increase is included. Funding our war on terror, making America safe 
and putting our fiscal house back in order are not mutually exclusive 
pursuits. We need a budget summit to come to a bipartisan agreement on 
ways to fund our current spending needs, stabilize our tax policy and 
protect Social Security and Medicare without throwing our budget into 
turmoil from which it will take years to recover.
  I have been a hawk on our national debt since I came to Capitol Hill, 
and I will remain so in this crucial fiscal period.
  Mr. BOEHNER. Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the Appropriations 
Committee's effort to bring forward a bill that provides funds to 
address the current shortfall in the Pell Grant Program for this 
nation's neediest students.
  Specifically, this bill puts forward an additional $1 billion to 
ensure the largest maximum award in the history of the Pell Grant 
Program--$4,000. This bill, while providing for the $4,000 annual 
maximum Pell Grant award as proposed by the President, will also 
provide assurances to students and their families that the necessary 
funds will in fact be available for them when they are needed.
  This President and this Congress stand firm in their commitment to 
the Pell Grant Program. That commitment is clear as evidenced by this 
chart, which shows a steady and substantial increase in the annual 
maximum award since fiscal year 1995, the point when Republicans gained 
control of the Congress, through the current year. We will continue our 
pledge to support the Pell Grant Program as we move forward with the 
President's education agenda.
  The Pell Grant Program is the foundation of the Federal need-based 
student financial assistance programs, and is often the only hope low-
income students have to achieve their dream of obtaining a higher 
education. Currently, the Pell Grant Program serves more than 4.4 
million students and in FY 2003, the President's budget request will 
serve an additional 55,000 students, allowing more students to move 
forward and obtain a quality education.
  We can do nothing better than provide an opportunity for this 
nation's citizens to obtain a quality education.
  In addition, I'd like to thank the Appropriators for including $190 
million to help replenish the National Emergency Grant program, and for 
restoring $110 million to the dislocated worker program. These funds 
will go a long way in supporting American workers who have lost their 
jobs due to the economic slowdown and last year's terrorist attacks.
  Mr. Chairman, I urge my colleagues to show their support for American 
workers and the very important Pell Grant Program by voting yes on this 
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my 
  The CHAIRMAN. All time for general debate has expired.
  Pursuant to the rule, the bill shall be considered for amendment 
under the 5-minute rule and the amendments printed in House Report 107-
484 are adopted.
  During consideration of the bill for amendment, the Chair may accord 
priority in recognition to a Member offering an amendment that he has 
printed in the designated place in the Congressional Record. Those 
amendments will be considered read.
  The Clerk will read.
  The Clerk read as follows:

                               H.R. 4775

       Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of 
     the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the 
     following sums are appropriated, out of any money in the 
     Treasury not otherwise appropriated, for the fiscal year 
     ending September 30, 2002, and for other purposes, namely:


                               CHAPTER 1

                       DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

                   Food Safety and Inspection Service

       For an additional amount for "Food Safety and Inspection 
     Service", $2,000,000, to remain available until expended: 
     Provided, That the entire amount shall be available only to 
     the extent an official budget request, that includes 
     designation of the entire amount of the request as an 
     emergency requirement as defined in the Balanced Budget and 
     Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, as amended, is 
     transmitted by the President to the Congress: Provided 
     further, That the entire amount is designated by the Congress 
     as an emergency requirement pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A) 
     of such Act.

                       Food and Nutrition Service

Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children 

       For an additional amount for "Special Supplemental 
     Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)", 
     $75,000,000, to remain available until September 30, 2003, 
     which shall be placed in reserve for use in only such 
     amounts, and in such manner, as the Secretary determines 
     necessary, notwithstanding section 17(i) of the Child 
     Nutrition Act.

               Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service

                         salaries and expenses

       For an additional amount for "Animal and Plant Health 
     Inspection Service, Salaries and Expenses", $10,000,000, to 
     remain available until expended, to assist in State efforts 
     to prevent and control transmissible spongiform 
     encephalopathy, including bovine spongiform encephalopathy, 
     chronic wasting disease, and scrapie, in farmed and free-
     ranging animals: Provided, That the entire amount shall be 
     available only to the extent an official budget request, that 

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     designation of the entire amount of the request as an 
     emergency requirement as defined in the Balanced Budget and 
     Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985, as amended, is 
     transmitted by the President to the Congress: Provided 
     further, That the entire amount is designated by the Congress 
     as an emergency requirement pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A) 
     of such Act.


                      Food and Drug Administration

                         salaries and expenses

       For an additional amount for "Food and Drug 
     Administration, Salaries and Expenses", $18,000,000, to 
     remain available until expended: Provided, That the entire 
     amount shall be available only to the extent an official 
     budget request, that includes designation of the entire 
     amount of the request as an emergency requirement as defined 
     in the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 
     1985, as amended, is transmitted by the President to the 
     Congress: Provided further, That the entire amount is 
     designated by the Congress as an emergency requirement 
     pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A) of such Act.


       Sec. 101. None of the funds appropriated in this or any 
     other Act for the Department of Health and Human Services may 
     be used to consolidate the Food and Drug Administration 
     Office of Public Affairs or Office of Legislation at the 
     Office of the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

                             Point of Order

  Mr. ADERHOLT. Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order that section 101 
of the bill, beginning on line 18 through line 23, violates clause 2 of 
rule XXI of the Rules of the House of Representatives prohibiting 
legislation on appropriation bills.
  The language in question prohibits the Food and Drug Administration 
from consolidating its Office of Public Affairs or Office of 
Legislation at the Office of the Secretary of Health and Human 
Resources under this bill or "any other Act." As such, the language 
changes current law and constitutes a violation of clause 2 of rule 
  I insist on my point of order.
  The CHAIRMAN. Does any Member wish to be heard on the point of order?
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, reluctantly, I must concede the 
point of order.
  The CHAIRMAN. The point of order is conceded.
  The point of order is sustained. The provision is stricken from the 
  The Clerk will read.
  The Clerk read as follows:
       Sec. 102. Of the funds made available for the Export 
     Enhancement Program, pursuant to section 301(e) of the 
     Agricultural Trade Act of 1978, as amended by Public Law 104-
     127, not more than $28,000,000 shall be available in fiscal 
     year 2002.

                               CHAPTER 2

                         DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

  Mr. ROTHMAN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, people at home must be scratching their heads wondering 
what are these folks talking about? Let me tell you what we are not 
talking about. There is no disagreement between the majority of 
Republicans and the majority of Democrats as to whether we should fund 
our war against terrorism, because we all support that; or that we 
should increase funding for the Defense Department, because we support 
that; or increase funding for agencies that protect us and inspect 
things coming into the United States, things and people, Customs, 
Secret Service, et cetera; or provide money for the rebuilding of New 
York City. There is no disagreement.
  So what have we been hearing about this debt ceiling that bothers the 
Democrats so much? Well, you see, the problem is that my friends on the 
Republican side of the aisle decided that they would force through a 
rather large tax cut, a $1.35 trillion tax cut, last year, that 
benefited, in my opinion, disproportionately, the richest 5 percent in 
the United States. At the time they said America could afford that, 
there would be no deficits; that surpluses that were present under 
President Clinton would continue now under President Bush, even with 
this $1.35 trillion tax cut.
  Something happened. A war on terrorism; the recession was still going 
on. But then about 45 percent of what will now be a $300 billion 
deficit in the year 2003 is a direct result of this tax cut forced 
through by the Republican party.
  The problem with this bill, and I am going to support this bill 
because I support all the aid to our men and women overseas defending 
us, standing in harm's way, and all of the good things in the bill, the 
problem with the bill, that we hope will get fixed by the Senate 
because the Democrats are in control of the Senate and they will 
hopefully hold the line on this, is my Republican colleagues have 
inserted into this supplemental appropriations bill a way for the new 
deficits created, 45 percent of the reason for which is their tax cut, 
they have created a way to fund these national deficits that are 
expected for the next 10 years, and they buried it in this bill. They 
did not have a debate on it. They would not let us debate whether we 
should postpone the tax cuts for the very richest of Americans in order 
to eliminate 45 percent of these new deficits, next year projected to 
be $300 billion, and we all know where this money is coming from. It is 
coming from our children and grandchildren and Social Security, as they 
stick their hands deeper and deeper into the pockets of future 
generations to pay for a tax cut that benefits primarily the rich.
  Again, they did not plan on it this way. They thought there would be 
surpluses. Then the war on terrorism came, and the recession. So we 
said now there is a war on terrorism and a recession. Perhaps we ought 
to delay this tax cut that benefits primarily the very rich. They said 
no. So rather than admitting to the American people that the 
Republicans have now created this huge deficit, 45 percent of which is 
related directly to their tax cut that goes to primarily to the rich, 
admit they have a deficit this year and projected for the next 10 
years, admit that 45 percent of the reason for this new deficit is 
their tax cut that goes primarily to the very rich, they have buried 
language in this bill preventing a debate on it so that the American 
people will not realize that when they said they could do a tax cut 
that benefited primarily the rich and created surpluses, they were 
wrong. They guessed wrong.

                              {time}  2000

  I think that that is a terrible mistake that needs to be rectified.
  What else could we do with this money? We could pay off our debts if 
we did not have this tax cut for the very rich. We could even just 
postpone it, delay it for a year, take a look around, see what the war 
on terrorism is like, whether we are out of the recession or not. 
Reasonable people of goodwill could debate whether a tax cut is 
important in the midst of a recession. We are out of the recession, 
according to all of our official estimates, and most of this tax cut is 
going to take effect for the rich in the next 10 years, except we have 
to pay for it now.
  So if anyone is wondering why there appeared to be a disagreement 
between Democrats and Republicans about a bill where we all support an 
increase in defense, the war on terrorism, all of the agencies 
rebuilding New York, et cetera, et cetera, we all support that. What we 
do not support on the Democratic side is the unwillingness of the 
Republican majority to hide the effect of their tax cut, which by 
conservative numbers, 45 percent of the reason for the upcoming 
deficits will be as a direct result of their tax cuts; and we say, if 
you want to cause these deficits, cause us to dig into Social Security, 
to pay for your tax cuts that disproportionately benefit the wealthiest 
of Americans, at least debate it out in the open. Do not hide it in 
this bill. We are hoping that the Democratic Senate, when this bill 
goes to conference with the Senate bill on this emergency supplemental, 
will be resolved at that point.
  Mr. Chairman, I urge my colleagues to support this bill, but 
encourage the Senate and the conferees to remove this hidden, deficit-
hiding device.

                   Motion to Rise Offered by Mr. Obey

  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I move the Committee do now rise.
  The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the motion offered by the gentleman 
from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey).
  The question was taken; and the Chairman announced that the noes 
appeared to have it.

                             Recorded Vote

  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
  A recorded vote was ordered.
  The vote was taken by electronic device, and there were--ayes 134, 
noes 250, not voting 50, as follows:

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                             [Roll No. 196]


     Brady (PA)
     Brown (FL)
     Brown (OH)
     Carson (IN)
     Carson (OK)
     Davis (FL)
     Davis (IL)
     Hall (OH)
     Hastings (FL)
     Jackson-Lee (TX)
     Johnson, E. B.
     Jones (OH)
     Kennedy (RI)
     Kind (WI)
     Larsen (WA)
     Larson (CT)
     Lewis (GA)
     Maloney (NY)
     McCarthy (NY)
     Meeks (NY)
     Peterson (MN)
     Price (NC)
     Taylor (MS)
     Thompson (CA)
     Thompson (MS)
     Udall (NM)
     Watt (NC)


     Brady (TX)
     Brown (SC)
     Davis (CA)
     Davis, Jo Ann
     Davis, Tom
     Green (TX)
     Green (WI)
     Hall (TX)
     Hastings (WA)
     Jackson (IL)
     Johnson (CT)
     Johnson (IL)
     Jones (NC)
     Kennedy (MN)
     King (NY)
     Lewis (CA)
     Lewis (KY)
     Lucas (KY)
     Lucas (OK)
     Maloney (CT)
     McCarthy (MO)
     Miller, Dan
     Miller, Gary
     Miller, Jeff
     Moran (KS)
     Moran (VA)
     Pryce (OH)
     Rogers (KY)
     Rogers (MI)
     Ryan (WI)
     Ryun (KS)
     Smith (MI)
     Smith (NJ)
     Smith (TX)
     Smith (WA)
     Taylor (NC)
     Udall (CO)
     Watkins (OK)
     Watson (CA)
     Watts (OK)
     Weldon (FL)
     Weldon (PA)
     Wilson (NM)
     Wilson (SC)
     Young (AK)
     Young (FL)

                             NOT VOTING--50

     Johnson, Sam
     Meek (FL)
     Miller, George
     Peterson (PA)

                              {time}  2023

  Mr. SUNUNU changed his vote from "aye" to "no."
  Mr. HILLIARD and Mr. RUSH changed their vote from "no" to "aye."
  So the motion to rise was rejected.
  The result of the vote was announced as above recorded.
  Ms. KILPATRICK. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, I rise as a Member of the Committee on Appropriations, 
having served with the gentleman from Florida (Chairman Young), who was 
very dignified as this Committee on Appropriations spent over 3 days, 
14 hours on the first day, trying to bring to this House of 
Representatives a supplemental bill to really react and respond to our 
war on terrorism.
  Many of us, over 60 of us who sit on that committee, vowed that we 
would do the work necessary. We put 20 hours-plus on the bill over 3 
days, and brought a bill to this floor, an emergency supplemental. I am 
appalled with what the Committee on Rules has done with our work. It 
has emasculated the committee system in this House.
  Mr. Chairman, the gentleman from Florida (Chairman Young) has done a 
wonderful job, and our ranking member, the gentleman from Wisconsin 
(Mr. Obey). We have worked together in a bipartisan way to bring the 
bill to the floor of the House. But what we have before us is not the 
bill that came out of the Committee on Appropriations. It is not the 
bill we were told was an emergency and had to be passed right away to 
address the war on terrorism.
  What we have before us now is a bill with all kinds of amendments 
added onto it, and all kinds of things we cannot amend as Members of 
this House that do not address the emergency before us.
  This bill will increase the debt limit without a vote of this House. 
We may have to increase the debt limit, primarily because of the $1.3 
trillion tax cut that was given to the wealthiest of Americans just 
last year at the time when the economy was slowing.
  The CBO has told us that we will be in deficit $2.7 trillion, so 
perhaps we will have to increase the debt limit, but let us vote on it. 
Let us debate it. Do not bury it in this emergency supplemental that we 
spent so much time and energy and hours on.
  Mr. Chairman, I think it is unfair, and it emasculates the committee 
system in this House of Representatives. The Committee on Rules has 
gone ahead and gone deeper into the Social Security trust fund, leaving 
everything to be taken care of in conference, and again, not allowing 
us, the elected Members of this House, to have the proper forum in 
which to debate it.
  There is no new money for education, and again, if we adopt this 
supplemental that the Committee on Rules has rewritten, we 
automatically adopt the Republican budget resolution that passed this 
House earlier this year. That budget resolution, if we remember, did 
not fortify Medicare, did not take care of Social Security, did not 
take care of education. If we adopt this Committee on Rules 
supplemental tonight, we automatically adopt that poor budget 
resolution that was passed a few months ago.
  Mr. Chairman, these are trying times for our country. We are at war. 
We do need to address the emergency needs of our troops, our homeland 
security. But we also need to address the national defense, homeland, 
problems of education.
  Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. Mr. Chairman, will the gentlewoman yield?
  Ms. KILPATRICK. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.

                              {time}  2030

  Mr. HASTINGS of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I agree with the gentlewoman 
that it was the Committee on Rules because that is where the action is. 
But it was the majority on the Committee on Rules that undertook this. 
I thank the gentlewoman for yielding.
  Ms. KILPATRICK. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from Florida (Mr. 
Hastings) for making that caveat. It was the majority, the Republican 
members of the Committee on Rules who emasculated the work of the fine 
Committee on Appropriations and the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young) 

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the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey), and now we have before us not 
an emergency supplemental that deals with terrorism, but a bill that 
will raise the debt limits for this country, making us have more bills 
to pay and at the same time not having an up-or-down vote on it; nor 
will we be able to debate that. I think that is unconscionable.
  We live in a time in this country where leadership is paramount, 
where we must stand up and be counted. This is not the way this House 
should be run. This is not the way the majority should run it. I hope 
we will vote against the supplemental. Some people say they cannot vote 
against it because of what is in it. I think you can vote against it, 
come back and put together a supplemental for the American people that 
will address the emergency needs of our country.
  Our health care industry is about to collapse. I have been visited by 
doctors in this country. I am sure you have too. They are not taking 
Medicare senior citizen patients. The reimbursements are too low. Our 
children cannot stand up to the competition of people all around the 
world. We can fix that. This supplemental does not begin to address 
  At a time when we need leadership, we are finding more and more that 
we are doing the wrong things for the people of this country. They 
expect us to be leaders. They sent us here for that.
  Mr. Chairman, I would urge my colleagues, watch what we do over the 
next few hours. Vote against this supplemental.
  We are being asked to do something today that we have not done in 
almost 6 years--pass legislation that paves the way for increasing the 
debt limit that will allow the government to borrow money to pay its 
bills. The majority is attaching this on to a must-pass bill, an 
emergency supplemental appropriations to fund homeland security and the 
war on terrorism, in order to minimize its exposure as the party of 
fiscal irresponsibility.
  For more than 60 years, the other side of the aisle has billed itself 
as the party of balanced budgets, budget firewalls and Social Security 
lockboxes. But their rhetoric does not comport with reality and they 
know it. In the last half of the 20th century through last year, the 
only budget surpluses this nation enjoyed came under Democratic 
administrations and Democratic financial management.
  That's a point the Republican majority does not want to acknowledge. 
Consequently, it wants to slip debt-increase legislation through on the 
sly without a full and fair debate of the fiscal position of the 
country, how we got there, and how we're going to deal honestly about 
digging ourselves out of the hole in which we now find ourselves.
  The problem is the other side is in a state of denial. It does not 
want to expose itself as the party of deficit spending after a 
Democratic administration produced the longest string of budget 
surpluses in the history of this country. And it doesn't want to own up 
to the fact that it has to raise revenues before the country can get 
back on the right track to fiscal sanity. Yes, the economic slowdown 
and the war on terrorism caused us to spend more than general revenues 
allow. But the primary reason we are spending beyond our means is 
because of a $1.3 billion tax bill Congress passed last year.
  Because the other side doesn't want to deal with the deficit 
situation honestly and openly, the majority wants us to approve must-
pass legislation, so it can have a license to raid the Social Security 
and Medicare trust funds.
  We need to ensure that all areas of our budget are adequately funded. 
While it is necessary to fund defense and national security priorities, 
it is not acceptable to ignore domestic priorities that are of crucial 
importance to our nation and the American people. By insufficiently 
funding key priorities such as education and prescription drugs, we are 
shortchanging our families and children. Yes, they might be safer on 
the national security front, but if we cannot ensure our nation's 
children a quality education, if we can't ensure seniors a sound 
prescription drug coverage, and if we can't ensure the solvency of our 
Social Security for so many people in the future, we are truly off the 
  The budget resolution presented a distorted vision for our future by 
laying out a budget that does not sufficiently fund our education and 
health care needs. This is not a budget that the appropriations 
committee should adhere to if we really want to keep the promises we 
have verbally made to our people. It is time to match our words with 
real funding levels on paper.


  In January, the President signed into law landmark education reform 
legislation with the "Leave No Child Behind Act." Yet, his proposed 
budget and the Republican budget that was passed in the House does not 
make the title of this bill a reality. If we continue along the 
Republican funding path, more and more children will be left behind. 
Both budgets provide a $1.4 billion (2.8 percent) increase over FY 2002 
funding levels to the Department of Education, which represents the 
smallest increase in funding in recent years.
  Not only does the budget for education represent the smallest 
increase in recent times, it actually eliminates funding for 28 key 
education programs such as Drop-Out Prevention, Rural Education, Close-
Up Fellowships, and numerous other programs that enrich students' 
  At the same time, the budget resolution proposes cutting or freezing 
many other elementary and secondary education programs, including 
educational technology (cut $134 million--15.7 percent), improving 
teacher quality programs (cut from $105 million to $3 billion total), 
and safe and drug-free schools (cut $102 million or 13.7 percent). It 
also freezes funding for 21st century community learning centers after-
school programs, comprehensive school reform. Even keeping funding for 
programs for FY 2003 at their current level represents a cut in funding 
when inflation and rising costs are taken into account.
  If we expect schools to implement the provisions laid out in the 
"Leave No Child Behind Act", then we must give them the funding 
resources needed to help them succeed. Mandates without adequate 
funding is leaving our schools and teachers with their hands tied.
  In my state of Michigan, funding for educational priorities such as 
school construction and class size reduction have been eliminated. 
Other programs have been cut, such as Even Start which provides grants 
for family literacy projects that include early childhood education for 
children through age 7.


  The Republican budget proposed a mere $350 billion for Medicare 
reform and prescription drug coverage over ten years. This represents a 
gross underfunding just for a prescription drug coverage, which would 
cost $700-800 billion over 10 years alone if we want a comprehensive, 
meaningful drug coverage plan for seniors and disabled individuals. 
This funding level does not even account for what will be needed to 
strengthen Medicare for our future. If Republicans, in their 
maneuvering today, really expect us to stick with the funding levels 
proposed in the budget resolution, then their actions on the floor 
definitely contrast with the verbal promises that they offer seniors 
everyday on the floor and in their districts.
  Overall, the health care outlook in the GOP budget is bleak. If we 
are asked to stick with their numbers, major programs will be cut, such 
as rural health programs (41.9 percent cut), Telehealth (84.6 percent 
cut), and other programs that assist in coordinating care for the 

                   social security and medicare raids

  The huge tax breaks for the wealthy that Republicans passed have left 
us looking at deficit spending. And where will the funds for all our 
programs come from? Social Security and Medicare trust funds. This is 
what they have to resort to when just last year, Members pledged not to 
raid Social Security and we passed Social Security lockbox legislation 
on the floor. This promise has been broken and the lockbox is locked no 
  The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projected last January that the 
course of the Republican path would lead Congress to spend $845 billion 
of the Social Security trust fund over the next 10 years. And this in 
only taking into account the FY 2002 budget.
  This return to deficit spending and raiding of the Social Security 
trust fund cannot be explained by the recent recession or the war 
against terrorism. When taking into account the Administration's own 
numbers, the national debt will be $2.75 trillion higher than what was 
originally projected early last year before the President's FY 2002 
budget proposal. When adding recessionary costs and the war, these 
numbers combined total $800 billion of projected debt. This means that 
$1.9 trillion is left that cannot be explained either the economic 
downturn or the war against terrorism.
  Mr. ANDREWS. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  (Mr. ANDREWS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
  Mr. ANDREWS. Mr. Chairman, we are gathered tonight in a place of 
great and high honor. This is a Chamber in which decisions that have 
profoundly affected the history of our Nation and of humankind have 
been debated with great dignity and honor. In this Chamber we have 
debated questions of civil rights, questions of war and peace, 
questions of education and health care. And what brings honor to this 
institution and what humbles each one of us privileged enough to serve 
in this institution is the process of debate, of exchanging ideas, of 
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people of the Nation, the people of the world, our divergent and 
heartfelt views.
  What we are doing tonight in this Chamber does not measure up to the 
standards of honor of this Chamber. Because this bill is being used as 
a vehicle to make a decision of monumental importance for the future of 
this country, but we are not debating that decision. We will not take a 
vote on that decision. We will not let the public hear our voices on 
that decision.
  There is a plan to move innocuous language in this bill that talks 
about protecting the full faith and credit of the United States to a 
conference with the other body. There is an anticipation that the other 
body will add a law which authorizes the borrowing of $750 billion, the 
bill which will be handed off to the children of this country. The bill 
will then be brought back here, and it will be put to a vote where that 
$750 billion borrowing is wrapped in the holy garments of all the good 
things that are in this bill, aid to the troops, aid to loyal allies of 
this country, reconstruction of New York City, things for which there 
is broad, even, unanimous appeal.
  The majority has chosen to hide its plan rather than to debate its 
plan, and that is just plain wrong. I think I know why, Mr. Chairman, 
the majority has chosen to do that. In 1990 when I came here, for every 
$100 that we needed to run the government, we were bringing in $70 
worth of revenue. And we made up the difference by pilfering money from 
the Social Security trust fund and borrowing the rest from the private 
markets in a way that drove up interest rates and drove down economic 
activities. President Clinton made good decisions to change that. 
Members of Congress of both parties made good decisions to change that. 
The American people worked very hard, paid a lot of taxes and changed 
that. And by 2000, for every $100 we spent to run our country, we 
brought in $108. And we were told that $108 would be $115 and then $125 
and then $135, and there would be all this money to spend.
  In the summer of 2001, the majority voted to rid the Treasury of 
about $2 trillion worth of money in one of the largest tax cuts in 
American history. There were voices, mostly on this side, who warned 
against the risk of that proposal. Our warnings when unheeded. The bill 
became law. A recession came along. The terrorist attacks of September 
11 came along. And where do we find ourselves?
  For the fiscal year that will end this September 30, instead of 
having $108 in revenue for every $100 we will spend, we will have 80. 
So here we are once again borrowing the rest. Borrowing once again from 
the Social Security trust fund and robbing the pensions of Americans. 
Borrowing once again from the same markets that our entrepreneurs and 
companies looked to grow their businesses.
  The majority understands that the public would rebel against such a 
plan. So rather than bring that plan to this floor and defend it, they 
have chosen a procedural vehicle that will obscure it. That is the 
wrong thing to do. This is a bill that does much good and many of us 
will support it for that reason. I believe that if the leadership of 
this committee had been permitted to bring this bill forward, that is 
all the bill would have done.
  But the majority leadership has a different agenda. It is to obscure 
the agenda that will result in the borrowing of $750 billion. We vote 
on congratulating the people of the East Timor in this Chamber. We vote 
on the naming of Federal buildings. We vote on resolutions honoring 
people that win NCAA basketball championships; but we are not going to 
cast a vote on indebting the children in this country to the tune of 
$750 billion.
  It is so wrong, it is so indefensible the majority will not put this 
on this floor. It is the wrong way to proceed.
  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last 
  (Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia asked and was given permission to revise 
and extend his remarks.)
  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I rise to engage in a 
colloquy with the chairman of the committee, as well as my colleague, 
the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Wolf), also I think that the gentleman 
from Virginia (Mr. Moran) and the gentlewoman from North Carolina (Mrs. 
Myrick) also are concerned.
  This regards section 1103 of the bill dealing with the Federal loan 
guarantee program for air carriers. The airline industry has changed 
dramatically and permanently since September 11. Business air travel is 
down 30 percent industry-wide and total industry revenue is down 15 
percent since 2000.
  It is an unfortunate reality that some carriers' financial situation 
is currently unsustainable. We cannot now pass the provision that moves 
the goal post on the very companies for whom the legislation was 
intended when it was passed a mere 9 months ago.
  I ask the chairman, this section would upon enactment of the bill 
delay disbursement of loan guarantees until October 1 of this year. Is 
it the chairman's understanding that while this provision would prevent 
the actual issuance of a loan guaranteed until October 1, that the air 
transportation stabilization board may continue and complete processing 
of applications during the remainder of this fiscal year?
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, first let me say it is essential 
to the United States that a viable air transportation system be up and 
running. So I would say to the gentleman that what he suggests is my 
  The Office of Management and Budget in a letter sent to our committee 
interprets this provision as only preventing the actual issuance of 
credit pursuant to the Air Transportation Safety and System 
Stabilization Act. The stabilization board may continue accepting and 
fully considering qualified applications as authorized by that act.
  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentleman 
from Virginia (Mr. Wolf) for further inquiry.
  Mr. WOLF. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for that statement.
  As the chairman knows, many of our colleagues, and certainly I am in 
that group, strongly support this program and we want to ensure that no 
changes are enacted that would prevent a qualified carrier from 
receiving a loan guarantee as early as the stabilization board may act 
on the application. This particular program was enacted to assist 
carriers suffering losses as a result of the terrorist attack on 
September 11. The Federal Government's closure of Reagan National 
Airport made matters even worse for some of the carriers.
  I know the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Tom Davis), the gentleman 
from Virginia (Mr. Moran), the gentlewoman from North Carolina (Mrs. 
Myrick), and the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers) have been very, 
very concerned about this. We are aware of one or more carriers that 
may apply for a loan guarantee before the deadline of June 28, 2002.
  There are concerns that the provision, if enacted, might have the 
unintended consequences of preventing a qualified carrier from securing 
a Federal loan guarantee in time to avoid bankruptcy or other 
irreparable harm to a carrier's operations, employees and customers.
  Would the chairman be willing to work with us and other Members, and 
there were so many that were interested in this, to ensure that that 
provision does not have those unintended effects?
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. If the gentleman would yield again, the 
committee does not intend to prevent any carrier from having an 
application fully considered, nor does it intend for this provision to 
result in the kind of outcome the gentleman is concerned about.
  We will work with the gentleman and other Members as we go to 
conference with the Senate on this bill to address any concerns that 
affected parties may have.
  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. I thank the gentleman for his assurances.
  Mr. Chairman, I include in the Record a letter from the Office of 
Management and Budget which clearly states the provisions which we are 
considering today permit the Air Transportation Stabilization Board to 
continue to complete the processing of

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qualified loan guarantee applications that are properly filed.

         Executive Office of the President, Office of Management 
           and Budget,
                                                   Washington, DC.
     Hon. J. Dennis Hastert,
     Speaker of the House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
       Dear Mr. Speaker: This letter provides the Administration's 
     interpretation of Section 1103 of the pending House FY 2002 
     supplemental appropriations bill (H.R. 4775) regarding 
     airline loan guarantees. This provision was not proposed by 
     the Administration but was added by the House Committee on 
     Appropriations during committee consideration of the 
     supplemental appropriations bill.
       Under Section 1103 of the bill, the Air Transportation 
     Stabilization Board would be able to continue and complete 
     processing of qualified applications for loan guarantees 
     during the balance of FY 2002 consistent with the authorities 
     of P.L. 107-42, the Air Transportation Safety and System 
     Stabilization Act.
       While the Board could not obligate loan guarantee funds 
     during the balance of FY 2002 (from enactment through 
     September 30, 2002), it can, after October 1, 2002, issue the 
     loan guarantees to qualified applicants.
                                                    Nancy P. Dorn,
                                                  Deputy Director.

  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. I yield to the gentleman from Virginia.
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I thank my friend, the gentleman 
from Virginia (Mr. Tom Davis), and the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. 
Wolf) and I thank the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. Spratt) and 
the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) and the gentleman from Kentucky 
(Mr. Rogers), all of those folks who have tried to protect USAirways' 
ability to be financially solvent.
  I have to say, though, that I am convinced that the language in this 
supplemental appropriations bill does just the opposite. I do know that 
the Chair of the Committee on Appropriations and the Chair of the 
subcommittee want to make it right. But I think we need some assurance 
that it will be made right. I see the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. 
Murtha), who will be affected.
  There are 204 cities whose economy is going to be severely damaged if 
USAirways is not able to continue operations.
  The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Tom Davis) 
has expired.
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, as I was saying, there are 204 cities who are dependent 
upon the air service that USAirways provides. There are 40,000 
employees who are dependent upon the income that they earn from 
employment with USAirways. This is a very, very serious issue. I know 
we have discussed previously that it looks an awful lot like a budget 
gimmick, $1.3 billion by terminating the ability to apply for a loan. 
But it is serious business when you are talking about one of our 
premiere airlines. And I know that we have substantial support on the 
other side of the aisle, and certainly those who voted against the 
rule, this is one of the reasons that virtually all Democrats voted 
against the rule. And I know there is substantial support on the 
majority side. But we have got to find a way to make USAir whole, at 
least to the extent we are capable of doing so.
  And that is why we passed the airline guarantee program. We did it 
right after November. We know that USAirways is the most adversely 
affected. National Airport was closed down for an entire month and for 
8 months it has been in partial operation. How can an airline survive 
under those conditions? I do not know.
  So this is the airway that was most likely to benefit from the 
legislation we passed, and now we turn around and say we are going to 
terminate the loan program knowing that they are ready to apply so we 
can save $1.3 billion to get under their nonofficial ceiling?
  Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentleman from South Carolina (Mr. 
  Mr. SPRATT. Mr. Chairman, it is my understanding that USAirways has 
indicated that it needs this loan guarantee so it can get loan proceeds 
by August 1. But under the bill as presented to us, nothing will be 
payable until October 1, the first day of the next fiscal year and this 
is sooner than it could possibly be paid. It would be soon after that, 
that is the soonest possible date, and that is too late according to 
their indication, is it not?
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I thank the ranking member on 
the House Committee on the Budget. What he says is absolutely the case. 
USAirways indicates that it will run out of money by August and it will 
need the infusion of loan money by then. What this language does is to 
not make any of that money available until October 1. And unless we can 
work out some language, it has no assurance that it can give to the 
creditors that money, in fact, will be authorized.

                              {time}  2045

  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. I yield to the gentleman from Virginia.
  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I think one of the purposes 
of colloquy is to assure we have full leadership working to make sure 
one way or the other, the right thing happens should they qualify for 
this loan. In fact, the money will be available on a timely basis. We 
have received assurances that this, it still has to go through 
conference. There is Senate language that still needs to be worked 
through, and I just want to say I am comfortable with the fact that we 
are going to work this out, but I appreciate the gentleman's being very 
aggressive on this issue because I think it is very important, not just 
for the airline, as the gentleman has mentioned before.
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I will reclaim my time to tell 
my good friend from Virginia that I know he has been aggressive as well 
in supporting U.S. Air, but I think the gentleman also knows that on 
the Senate side they have capped this loan program in such a way that 
U.S. Air will not have access to the money. So if the money is not 
available on the House side, if it is not available on the Senate side, 
we are not going to be able to get it in conference.
  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. I yield to the gentleman from Virginia.
  Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, they have only capped it in 
committee. It still has to go to the floor. It has a long way. I know 
Senator Byrd is concerned about this as well.
  Mr. SPRATT. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. I yield to the gentleman from South Carolina.
  Mr. SPRATT. Mr. Chairman, it is my understanding that CBO has scored 
this particular provision as saving temporarily for this fiscal year 
$343 million, that is all, under the Credit Reform Act. It is not the 
full amount of the loan. It is the likely loss on the loan that is 
scored as an expenditure on the loan this year. However, this is 
nothing but an obligational delay, so it does not really save anything.
  What it means is that what would be obligated in the remaining few 
months of this fiscal year will instead be obligated after October 1. 
Why go through shenanigans like that and send a message to the lenders 
that U.S. Air will not be able to take down the cash it needs to 
survive until after October 1? Sure, it can complete its loan 
application, but it cannot get the cash it needs, and that message will 
go out again tonight. It will chill the atmosphere for lending. My 
colleagues know the Transportation Stabilization Board will not want to 
process anything for fear that Congress is about to undercut it. Why 
are we doing this? What sense does it make? It does not save a dime.
  The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Moran) has 
  (On request of Mr. Obey, and by unanimous consent, Mr. Moran of 
Virginia was allowed to proceed for 5 additional minutes.)
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from 
Wisconsin (Mr. Obey), ranking member of the full committee.
  Mrs. MYRICK. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. I yield to the gentlewoman from North 
  Mrs. MYRICK. Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the gentleman's dedication to 
this issue, as well as the other Members on his side of the aisle and 
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side of the aisle, and I would tell my colleague that we are very 
committed to doing everything we can to make sure this problem is taken 
care of.
  Yes, there is a problem here on the House side, we understand that, 
but by the same token, it does have to work its way through the whole 
process, and that is what we are looking at and working on, to get the 
assurances that we need that the money will be there, that they will be 
able to get these loans, and that they are not going to go bankrupt. We 
have no intentions of allowing that to happen.
  It is very unfortunate these provisions were put in this bill the way 
they are, but we want to do everything we can through our leadership 
and through the Senate to make sure that this is taken care of, and I 
appreciate the gentleman yielding.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. I yield to the gentleman from Wisconsin.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
  There are 2 distinct issues on this point. First is what will happen 
to U.S. Air, and, frankly, I cannot tell, and that is the problem.
  The second problem is that the original committee provision was 
scored as saving $400 million. That was the proposition that said that 
the Transportation Department could not issue any loans from this point 
on for the remainder of the fiscal year. That was estimated by CBO to 
save $400 million, but now we are being told that even though it is 
being suggested that this loan may go ahead, we are still being told by 
OMB, and I understand the House Committee on the Budget, that we are 
going to save $1.3 billion by this provision, even though the loan that 
is being foregone is allegedly going ahead.
  I find that hard to follow.
  Mr. SPRATT. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. I yield to the gentleman from South Carolina.
  Mr. SPRATT. Mr. Chairman, CBO scored it, I have a letter and I put it 
in the Record, at $343 million. That is the accurate scoring for this, 
and that is the question I am raising. For that sum of money, why put 
U.S. Airways flying into jeopardy?
  Mr. OBEY. My point is, I understand that is a legitimate concern, but 
my point is another concern. I am concerned about putting the integrity 
of the Federal budget process in jeopardy, and my problem is that when 
we are told that the loan that was not going to go through is now going 
to go through and yet we are going to save more money than we were to 
spend originally, that is sleight of hand to me, and it looks a little 
bit like Arthur Andersen accounting to me.
  So I do not understand how we can say this loan is going to go 
through and yet we are going to save three times as much money as CBO 
originally estimated. It does not compute and it also does not make 
clear what is going to happen to the airline, which is an overriding 
and justifiable question in the minds of many Members tonight.
  Mr. SPRATT. Mr. Chairman, if I could simply ask, am I wrong? I 
believe the $343 million is exactly what CBO scored it as, and number 
2, does this really save anything? If this is just an obligational 
delay that says that the money cannot be obligated during the summer, 
but come October 1 it can be obligated, it does not save anything, why 
do this? Why go through shenanigans like this just to claim a credit 
that is not really a credit? It is not a savings. If I am wrong, I will 
stand corrected.
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, I would say 
to the gentleman, I have seen the CBO analysis dated today, that it is 
only $343 million. It is not $1.3 billion.
  Mr. SPRATT. But that is for 4 months.
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, the gentleman is absolutely 
  My other concern is I know how sincere the chairman of the Committee 
on Appropriations, the chair of the Subcommittee on Transportation, the 
chair of the Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State and Judiciary, 
and the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Tom Davis) has been working very 
hard on this.
  I believe we had the votes in full committee to strike the language. 
We were assured that we would not have to do that because it would be 
taken care of, and my concern is that I do not know at this point how 
it is going to be taken care of, and if the House bill leaves the 
floor, I am very much concerned it is going to be too late.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. I yield to the gentleman from Wisconsin.
  Mr. OBEY. Mr. Chairman, I would like to suggest the answer to the 
gentleman is that the only reason at this point that this is in here 
with this outlandish estimate is to make the bill look like it is paid 
for when it is not. This $1.3 billion savings, in my view, is a 
fictional savings of OMB and the Committee on the Budget.
  Mr. CARDIN. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, I was listening with interest to the discussion about 
U.S. Airways. I represent Baltimore, which has an interest in the 
direct health of U.S. Airways, and I think it is very clear that we are 
using accounting gimmicks again in order to satisfy budget rules 
because we do not have a straightforward budget, and I mention that, 
Mr. Chairman, because there is a lot of good things in this 
supplemental appropriations bill, and many of us are going to be voting 
for a lot of the issues that are underlining the bill itself, but we 
are compelled to speak about the unfair procedure and the undemocratic 
principles that are being used in the legislation that we are 
considering on the floor this evening.
  We are talking about provisions that were added after the bill came 
out of the Committee on Appropriations. I want to compliment the 
chairman and ranking member of the Committee on Appropriations. Many of 
these issues were worked out in committee that are good provisions, and 
we want to move them forward, but, unfortunately, what was added by the 
Committee on Rules and by our last vote, we are, for example, deeming 
the Republican budget as being enacted for the purposes of the 
Committee on Appropriations work.
  Well, that gives approval to a budget that is just not realistic. It 
does not protect the priorities that many of us believe in, that the 
majority of this House believes in. We are not going to be able to deal 
with education or Medicare, prescription drug or transportation or 
homeland security or the airline industry in a straightforward way on 
the budget that was deemed by the rule that we approved a little bit 
earlier this evening.
  So now what are we going to do? We are going to go back to gimmicks. 
We are going to go back to waiving all these rules. No budget 
discipline at all. That is the concern that many of us have about the 
procedure that is being used tonight.
  We clearly are going to move to large deficits again. We are going to 
protect large tax cuts, but we are going to move to large deficits, and 
we are going to use Social Security funds. We are going to borrow those 
funds to cover the other obligations of the United States Government.
  How often have I heard the Members of this body talk about a lockbox? 
We are going to make sure that money is not used, and, oh, yes, we have 
had some unexpected expenses, but that is not the reason we have the 
large deficits. The large deficits are a direct result of the budget 
and the tax bills that were passed. My colleagues know that; I know 
  We should be able to debate that issue here on this floor, but, 
instead, what are we doing, we are using a magic wand to do certain 
things rather than having a full and open debate on the budget issues 
and on the debt ceiling. So it will be extremely difficult for us to 
deal with Social Security.
  Mr. Chairman, let me point out that the moneys that were in the 
surplus were used in just about every proposal that has been brought 
forward to deal with Social Security, including the bill that was filed 
in the last Congress by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Archer) and the 
gentleman from Florida (Mr. Shaw), and now those funds are to be 
borrowed and used for the general obligations. That is wrong, and we 
all know that we are using a stealth process so we do not have to deal 
with the direct debate on this floor on the debt ceiling.
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should talk about how we are going to deal with the future debt. As I 
understand it, Republicans are going to be asked to raise the debt by 
$750 billion. $750 billion. Look at how much of the tax bill is going 
to have to be paid for by additional borrowing. I am not sure that is 
exactly what the American public wants us to do.
  We are going to go back to the red ink again. What we should be 
doing, we should take a little pause in the action, we should sit 
together and work out a bipartisan agreement on a budget, and if we had 
a bipartisan agreement on a budget, with the other body, with the 
administration, then we would have a supplemental appropriation bill 
here that could be considered in a relatively short period of time.
  We could have a prescription drug bill for Medicare that we could all 
agree upon and really get something done for our seniors at last. We 
could have a budget that would speak to the priorities on education and 
on homeland security, on the other issues, and we could really deliver 
for our constituents.
  So, Mr. Chairman, many of us are going to express the frustration 
tonight that the process that the majority is using is unfair; not 
unfair to the Democratic Members, it is unfair to the American people. 
We deserve better. The American public deserve better, and I would urge 
my colleagues to use the time to get together so that we can produce a 
bipartisan budget so we can produce results for the people of this 
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, I listened attentively to all of these speeches. What I 
have to say is this is an emergency, wartime supplemental. Political 
speeches about whatever my colleagues want to make political speeches 
about, that is all well and good. Why do my colleagues not do that on 
some other bills? This is a wartime, emergency supplemental.
  The military is running out of money, especially those who are 
directly involved in the war in Afghanistan. We have got to protect 
those soldiers that are deployed. We have got to make sure that they 
have whatever it is that they need to fight this war. We have got to 
provide for the FBI and the intelligence agencies. Let us focus on what 
this bill is all about, and it is about protecting America. It is about 
seeking out those who would terrorize America. It is about securing our 
places and our people, our seaports, our airports, our airplanes, 
public gathering places. That is what this bill is about. This should 
not be a vehicle for political speeches.

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  Mr. OBERSTAR. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word. And, Mr. 
Chairman, I do so to applaud the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Moran) 
for raising appropriately the issue of USAirways. I think it is, to put 
it mildly, bad faith on the part of Congress to terminate the loan 
guarantee program, and it is an act at the worst possible time for this 
carrier, and for other carriers along with it, who have indicated their 
likely need to apply for the loan guarantee program.
  Virtually everybody in this House voted for both the compensation 
program and the loan guarantee program last fall when it was crucially 
necessary to save America's airlines from financial liquidation. That 
legislation passed overwhelmingly to the great credit of the 
administration. They came forward and said, yes, we need to do this, 
when we in the House were already talking about the need to save 
America's airlines, who were bleeding at the rate of $360 million a day 
because they could not operate.
  And the reason we enacted that legislation was that it was an act of 
government that shut down the Nation's airlines in the national 
interest, out of security concerns. It was an appropriate action. But 
we caused the airlines, we, the government, caused the airlines to lose 
billions of dollars in the national interest. We recognized that it was 
a necessity for the government then to come back and not make the 
airlines whole, but at least put them in the position they were in at 
the moment of the order for all airline operations to cease on 
September 11.
  Mr. Chairman, 2,460 commercial airliners were brought on the ground 
within 2\1/2\ hours and did not operate for 3 days. And then, for a 
month after other airports were opened, National Airport remained 
closed. This is the hub, the base of USAirways' operations. The order 
of government not to operate out of National Airport hit this carrier 
disproportionately greater than any other carrier in the United States. 
I find it short-sighted, bad faith, poor judgment, poor calculation to 
say, oh, we have taken back what we offered you last fall. It is just 
simply not right. It is not fair.
  And I do not want to get into all these other discussions about what 
else is in this supplemental appropriations bill. This particular 
provision is really harmful and hurtful and goes back on our word that 
we gave in this body to the airlines of the United States: we will make 
you whole to the point that you were at when you could not fly, and we 
will provide loan assistance, payback with all sorts of guarantees that 
I participated in crafting into the loan guarantee program in the 
Speaker's office, the night of the President's address to the Nation. 
And now the program is there; and all of a sudden you are pulling the 
rug out from under this carrier that has suffered a disproportionate 
burden compared to other carriers in the country because of the 
shutdown of National Airport for over a month.
  Now, I heard the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Tom Davis) say that we 
will fix this somehow over the course of the next few days. "Somehow" 
is no help to the financial institutions. It does not give them a whole 
lot of confidence at all. It gives them zero confidence, in fact. This 
needs to be fixed now, before this bill leaves the House, whether it is 
a statement by the chairman of the Committee on Appropriations or a 
statement by the Office of Management and Budget.
  I think our ranking member on the Committee on the Budget has already 
spelled out how little, how ephemeral, how chimerical the savings will 
be. Surely we can do something in the course of this evening, which 
apparently is going to be a very long evening; and I appeal to the 
chairman. I do not fly USAirways. They do not serve Minnesota.
  The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Oberstar) 
has expired.
  (By unanimous consent, Mr. Oberstar was allowed to proceed for 1 
additional minute.)
  Mr. OBERSTAR. Mr. Chairman, I have an interest only because of my 
many, many years of action in the aviation sector as the former Chair 
of the Subcommittee on Aviation and a desire to do the right thing.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. OBERSTAR. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, we want to do the right thing as 
well, but I want to remind the gentleman that this loan program was 
enacted into law on September 22 last year.
  Mr. OBERSTAR. I said that just a moment ago.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. I just want to remind everybody. And as of 
tonight, as we stand in this Chamber, certain airlines have not even 
made their application, knowing full well that under the law that we 
passed last September the application process terminates on June 28. 
That is rapidly approaching. So the airlines are not totally free of 
guilt in not getting the job done.
  All that aside, we are prepared to try to help keep our airline 
industry viable. And the only airline that I can fly direct to my 
district is USAir. I do not want USAir to go out of business or to go 
bankrupt. I want to help them. But I have to tell my colleague that 
they could have applied for this loan guarantee a lot earlier and they 
did not.
  The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Oberstar) 
has again expired.
  (By unanimous consent, Mr. Oberstar was allowed to proceed for 1 
additional minute.)
  Mr. OBERSTAR. Mr. Chairman, I just want to point out to the chairman 
that the regulations for the loan guarantee program were not available 
until early this year, along about January-February. And the person 
administering the program was not put in place until just about that 
time. It has been very difficult for the carriers to understand how 
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administered. Further, they wanted to wait and see whether they could 
be whole on their own.
  So I do not exonerate the airlines, but there were mitigating 
factors. And this carrier is particularly vulnerable. If we lose 
USAirways, then on the east coast the cascading effect will be that 
there will be a diminution of competition in the airline sector.
  The CHAIRMAN. The time of the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Oberstar) 
has again expired.
  (By unanimous consent, Mr. Oberstar was allowed to proceed for 1 
additional minute.)
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. OBERSTAR. I yield to the gentleman from Florida.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, our heart is in the same place, I 
would tell the gentleman. But the gentleman's facts are not exactly 
correct, because the first application under this program was America 
West and it was filed on November 28 of last year. So the regulations 
were in order much earlier than the gentleman suggested.
  Mr. OBERSTAR. Reclaiming my time, Mr. Chairman, America West filed 
before the regulation process had been fully implemented. They were in 
much more desperate shape than USAirways, no question about it. The 
full set of regulations was not in place at that time.
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
  Mr. OBERSTAR. I yield to the gentleman from Virginia.
  Mr. MORAN of Virginia. Mr. Chairman, let me just share some 
information regarding USAirways. In the first place, USAirways 
attempted to sustain its operations as long as possible without having 
to draw on a Federal loan guarantee.
  In the second place, as I think the gentleman knows, USAir has been 
working very diligently in working out labor agreements and showing a 
long-term plan so that this loan guarantee will be able to be paid off 
and they can show a viable financial plan into the future.
  This is a very difficult process for such a large airline.
  Mr. WALSH. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, before my colleagues jump again to react to the airline 
industry, I would caution that we think about the way the airline 
industry responded to our last legislative action. Within hours, Mr. 
Chairman, within hours of the passage of that airline bailout, 
USAirways fired hundreds and hundreds of its employees. Not only did 
they do that, they fired and closed reservation centers of their most 
senior, most experienced reservationists because they could save more 
money that way. And then they did not give them the opportunity to be 
rehired at other locations. They went out and the reservation centers 
that needed additional employees, they hired people "off the street," 
because they could hire them at a lower wage.
  This is the airline that charges customers seven times what other 
airlines serving the same two cities charge. This is the same airline 
that has average employee costs of $87,000. This is the same airline 
that provides service in 37-seat prop jets when they could go out and 
purchase new regional jets that would provide dramatically better 
service, and they are asking people to fly in those 30- and 40-year-old 
planes because their contract with their pilots will not allow them to 
buy new regional jets. This is the same airline that came back to us 
and said we need your help on this bill, and they still have not got 
their loans filed.
  It is no surprise that an airline this poorly managed would not have 
their paperwork done. So before we proceed to give them more help, let 
us remember what they did the last time we provided them with help. 
Lord knows what they will do to their employees and their customers 
this time.
  Ms. ESHOO. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, many of us wait not just minutes but hours to come to 
the floor to speak, and this evening, after listening to this debate 
about only a slice of what is in this supplemental, I cannot help but 
observe that this distinguished body, this great House of 
Representatives, has somehow created a mess. And I think the mess, and 
I do not like using the word, it is not out of disrespect to any 
individual, but haste can make a mess.
  I listened to my colleagues who serve on the committee who said we 
had something drawn up and then something happened at the Committee on 
Rules. There is a frustration on my side of the aisle that we cannot 
offer anything to amend this. That is wrong. For people that served in 
the minority for 40 years, my Republican colleagues know that is wrong.
  My colleagues know, and we all know, what a credit card is. If 
someone took any one of our credit cards and put $750 billion on that 
credit card without our knowing about it, we would be the first ones to 
dial up and say, something has gone wrong. I have taken votes when I 
was new here and my leadership said it is important for the country to 
raise the debt limit. But, no, no one is brave enough on the other side 
to take that straight vote up or down.
  We are accountable to our people. And so now the Nation's debt goes 
higher. I should not, and none of my colleagues on the minority side 
should be lectured to say that what we say is political. We ran for 
this office because we love this country. We all do. But we are not 
doing right by her by hiding in a poorly drafted, jammed-through-a-
committee supplemental.
  This is not right. It is not becoming of this House and this body. 
All joking aside, my colleagues know when they go home how their 
constituents respect them. How can anyone answer for raising this, 
incurring more debt, and not explaining it to the American people 
without even taking a vote.
  I have heard over and over and over again the lectures. I do not need 
to be lectured, and no one here does about how much we love our country 
and want to defend her. That is not the issue. That is not the issue. 
So it is with deep regret that I stand up this evening with a great 
deal of frustration and an enormous amount of sadness.
  We can debate our issues and hold our ground and still respect one 
another. But to do this, this is wrong. This is wrong. America, 
tonight, $750 billion was placed on America's credit card and we could 
not stand up and debate and offer a better idea.

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  If you have more votes, you can outvote us. But ideas are at the 
heart of this democracy. I believe my constituents would object to 
this, Republicans, independents, and Democrats, because it is not 
becoming of those we represent, it is not becoming of the process that 
we should follow in a democratic institution, and I want you to know 
that I object. I object. I object. I object.
  Mr. HAYES. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, if I might for a moment revisit the issue of USAir. The 
Eighth District of North Carolina has a number of USAir employees. I 
want to reassure them in spite of some of the things that they may have 
heard, that I and others here are vitally interested, whether they are 
machinists, pilots, caterers or other people who work at USAir. We 
worked very, very closely with every aspect of USAir to make certain 
they had every possible chance to work with us.
  My colleagues here on the floor heard earlier today a very specific 
colloquy between the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Moran), the gentleman 
from Virginia (Mr. Tom Davis), the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Wolf), 
and the gentlewoman from North Carolina (Mrs. Myrick), very specific, 
about our ability, desire and capability of working with USAir to make 
sure that there is a proper outcome for those very valuable employees.
  Mr. MENENDEZ. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  (Mr. MENENDEZ asked and was given permission to revise and extend his 
  Mr. MENENDEZ. Mr. Chairman, with all due respect to the distinguished 
chairman of the Committee on Appropriations, when Republicans put the 
debt ceiling in this legislation, they politicized the process. When 
they put deeming the budget, the Republican budget, in this process, 
they politicized the process. So to be lectured to that we are 
politicizing the process, we are responding to what you have created on 
the floor which you control as the majority.

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  For those who might not understand the sometimes arcane rules of this 
institution, let me put what is going on here in very plain language. 
Republicans have already spent all of the surpluses we had well into 
the future and now they are trying to get a further credit line 
increase without even giving us a chance, those of us who represent 49 
percent of all of the American people on this side of the aisle, to 
approve it in an up-or-down vote.
  There are some of us here, and many Americans out there, who think 
that raising America's debt limit is irresponsible. Why are you hiding 
your efforts to increase America's debt? You are hiding behind it 
because you clearly must be ashamed of the mess that you have made of 
America's budget. They are hiding behind it because they do not want 
the American people to know that you are raising the ceiling on how 
much they will owe, and their children and their grandchildren. And why 
do they need this debt limit increase in the first place? Not because 
of the recession. After all, the Congressional Budget Office is 
projecting deficits long after the recession is supposed to be over. 
Not because of the war on terrorism, which we support. Because even if 
you add up every last additional dollar we are spending on the war 
abroad and here, it does not even come close to accounting for the debt 
increase Republicans are proposing. So why the huge increase in debt? 
The answer is obvious. Republican fiscal mismanagement.
  Democrats support fiscally responsible tax cuts that are paid for. 
But this bill saddles our children and grandchildren with huge debts 
that will take generations to pay off, by taking funds from Social 
Security and Medicare that our seniors are, and baby boomers soon will 
be, relying on, by increasing the amount of interest Americans pay on 
this debt, which is nearly $1 billion a day.
  Huge debts, deficits as far as the eye can see. Social Security 
raided; higher interest rate payments; the Republican fiscal plan is a 
disaster. Republicans passed this budget. They cannot blame anyone but 
themselves for the fiscal mess we are now faced with. But today they 
want to pass the buck to working Americans to clean up their mess and 
they think they can pull the wool over the eyes of the American people 
while doing it. At least you should have the courage to stand up and 
vote for what you have done. At least they should have the courage to 
do this out in the open instead of by illusion.
  We Democrats demand the chance to vote on and oppose your 
irresponsible debt limit increase, this reckless credit card spending 
binge that you are on. But if you will not give us the chance to vote 
against a debt limit increase, this reckless credit card spending, if 
you are determined to hide it from the American people in this bill, if 
you are determined to raise the debt of all Americans even without so 
much as a single vote, then the shame is theirs, as are the 
  This is exactly what we Democrats said would happen if you passed 
your irresponsible budget. So I would say to my Republican colleagues, 
you who want to blame this fiscal mess on the recession, tell that to 
the laid-off workers whose unemployment benefits you held hostage for 
weeks. And do not try to blame it on the war on terrorism. You dare not 
use our fighting men and women as an excuse for the deficits you have 
created. If you want to know who is to blame for our return to 
deficits, merely look in the mirror. This is an abomination on the 
greatest democratic institution in the world that in the marketplace of 
ideas that we promote throughout the world we cannot have a vote up or 
down on the debt ceiling so that the American people will know how you 
are hocking their future generations for generations to come.
  It is a shame. It is an abomination. That is why you will hear the 
anger throughout this evening as I think you will hear it from the 
American people in the days ahead.
  Ms. SCHAKOWSKY. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, I rise today with great admiration for my colleagues 
across the aisle. That is because I admire what my family calls 
chutzpah, or nerve, some might say gall, but not me. An ordinary person 
watching tonight might think that the Republican leadership would be 
just a little bit sheepish about coming here today and proposing a 
supplemental budget that we really do not have the money to pay for 
without dipping into the Social Security trust fund, a trust fund that 
just a few short months ago was safely ensconced in a lockbox, a 
lockbox that, if I remember correctly, one after another of those same 
Republican leaders declared loudly and eloquently would never, ever be 
unlocked. Oh, no, we would never dip into the Social Security lockbox. 
And why? Because we had such a huge surplus, a surplus, if I can be 
rude enough to mention, was inherited from the Clinton administration, 
a surplus of $5.6 trillion, a surplus so large that these leaders 
scoffed at those of us who warned that the future is too uncertain to 
throw trillions of dollars of tax giveaways to the richest of the rich.
  I admire my Republican colleagues that despite the fact that $5.6 
trillion of surplus is gone, gone, that we are now facing a $300 
billion deficit this year, rather than being even the slightest bit 
embarrassed or apologetic, they are pressing aggressively ahead with a 
supplemental budget that, among some very worthwhile things, also takes 
money out of rural hospitals, expands the war in Colombia, ignores our 
housing and health care needs and is all paid for by raiding the Social 
Security trust fund. And I admire their arguments. It is war. How dare 
we be so unpatriotic as to bring up trivialities such as Social 
Security or debt or even fiscal responsibility? We are just being 
political. Although it does occur to me that there just might be such a 
concept as economic patriotism, that at a time of new demands caused by 
war, caused by our efforts to end terrorism, that it might be just the 
perfect moment to reconsider such things as tax cuts for the richest. 
Their forcefulness, some might call it sanctimony, but I do not, is 
  And perhaps the cleverest of all, some would say too clever by half, 
but not me, is the way that the Republican leaders are disguising the 
way they want to come up with the money that we simply do not have. 
They want to borrow $750 billion more money than the law currently 
allows, borrow even more money from Social Security and also the 
Medicare trust fund. But just asking for it would not look good. After 
all, so many of their Members sponsored a resolution to amend the 
Constitution making it especially hard to borrow more money, a 
resolution that proves how fiscally responsible they are.
  Some of my Republican colleagues from Illinois, including the 
gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Shimkus) and the gentleman from Illinois 
(Mr. Crane) are proud cosponsors of this resolution. Perhaps they can 
explain the embarrassing truth that this supplemental appropriations 
bill is nothing more than a stealth maneuver to orchestrate a backdoor 
increase in the debt limit, the same as raising the credit card limit 
on a credit card, but I do not expect that they are embarrassed by this 
fiscal sleight of hand. I congratulate them for it. As I said, I admire 
chutzpah. But maybe, just maybe, their constituents, who not only talk 
about fiscal responsibility but who practice it every day balancing 
their checkbook, paying their credit card bills, saving for college and 
saving for a rainy day, might not be as admiring as I am of this 
squandering of the surplus, this raiding of the Social Security, this 
cynical effort to borrow more money without even taking a vote on it, 
without any apology. They might not appreciate, as I do, the chutzpah 
it takes to play with such finesse at this dangerous budget game.
  Mr. EDWARDS. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, when this bill was presented to the Committee on 
Appropriations, a committee on which I sit, the distinguished chairman 
of the committee sent a report to each member saying that one of the 
pluses of this legislation was that it was a clean bill designed to 
provide emergency funding to fund our war against terrorism and 
homeland defense. I applauded that approach. Unfortunately, because of 
the late-night, closed-door, secret plan effort of the Committee on 
Rules, this bill is no longer a clean bill. It has been sullied by 
partisan amendments that have absolutely nothing to do with funding our 
war on terrorism. I find it

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somewhat ironic that some of the same people who say we should support 
this process tonight out of patriotism for our war against terrorism 
just happen to be exactly the same people who orchestrated the process 
of the Committee on Rules so that these controversial extraneous 
amendments would be forced on this legislation, thus slowing down the 
funding for our war on terrorism.
  What is wrong with all of this? Let me count the ways. First, adding 
$750 billion in deficit spending could certainly undermine the future 
of Social Security and Medicare. When you add that extra debt onto our 
already enormous $6 trillion national debt and consider the enormous 
interest payment that taxpayers have to pay each year on that, we could 
in effect be putting at risk benefits for Medicare and Social Security 
  Second, $750 billion in deficit spending will increase the cost for 
homeowners to buy a new home, for family businesses to build or expand 
their businesses, or for families to buy a car by increasing interest 
rates, a direct result of massive deficit spending. In fact, if we 
increase the mortgage rate, interest rate on a $100,000 home in 
America, that family will have in effect their taxes increased by 
$1,000 a year. That is what is wrong with this secret, late-night plan 
to raise our deficit spending by $750 billion.
  Let me count the additional ways that this is wrong. Third. This kind 
of deficit spending will lead to higher taxes for hard-working 
Americans. In fact, interest on the national debt today is one of the 5 
largest expenditures of the Federal Government out of the thousands and 
thousands of programs we fund. In fact, last year on average every man, 
woman, child and infant in America was responsible for $1,200 in taxes 
just to pay the interest on our present national debt, not to speak 
about the extra $750 billion we are going to add to that debt.

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  In fact, if one assumes a 5 percent interest rate on this $750 
billion increase in deficit spending, that amounts to about $37.5 
billion a year in increased taxes on the American people, simply to pay 
the interest on that debt. That is what is wrong with this bill and 
this process.
  Fourth, in increasing deficit spending by $750 billion through this 
measure, we are going to make it harder to fund priority national 
programs such as national defense, veterans' health care and education.
  Fifth, I think it is wrong to burden our children and grandchildren 
with a $6.7 trillion national debt. We in this generation of Congress 
have no right to drown our grandchildren in a sea of national debt.
  Sixth, by slowing down this bill with controversial, unrelated 
amendments, partisan amendments that have nothing to do with funding 
the war on terrorism or homeland defense, we basically end up harming 
national defense, because we will force military training at bases such 
as mine, Fort Hood in my district, to be delayed or canceled in order 
to fund our war on terrorism, because we will not pass this bill as 
quickly as we could pass it had we not had these extraneous, late-
night, secret amendments added to this bill.
  Now, perhaps the handful of Republican district hospitals given 
special treatment at the cost of every other rural hospital in America 
stuck in this bill, maybe those hospitals have some unknown direct 
relation to fighting our war on terrorism and homeland defense. I 
certainly have not heard that explanation in this debate tonight.
  Mr. Chairman, if increasing the national debt by $750 billion, if 
adding that burden on our children and grandchildren, cannot pass the 
test of open debate and an honest vote, it does not deserve to be 
hidden in a bill purported to fund our war on terrorism. Shame on our 
House if we do that.
  Mr. POMEROY. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, the chairman of the Committee on Appropriations, a man 
for whom I have great respect, a colleague I enjoy working with, has 
described this bill as the emergency wartime supplemental. Indeed, much 
of the content of this bill does exactly as the chairman describes. 
Unfortunately, and I believe it is extraordinarily unfortunate, the 
chairman was unable to keep his bill relative to the emergency wartime 
supplemental purposes he speaks so convincingly about.
  Once again we see critical legislation hijacked somewhere in the 
legislative process, in the bowels of the majority leadership 
somewhere, and turned into something quite different than what it 
initially purported to be.
  There is a feature of this bill that I feel is extraordinarily 
unfortunate, and that is what I rise to point out tonight. Language in 
this bill sets the stage for a significant increase in the national 
debt. One year ago, 1 year ago tonight, we were not talking at all 
about raising the national debt, we were not talking about deficits; we 
were looking at a 10-year surplus of $5.6 trillion. What we now know is 
the 10-year outlook has deteriorated $4 trillion.
  Mr. Chairman, we have presided over the worst reversal of financial 
fortune of the United States Treasury in the history of the country. We 
all ought to be alarmed. Those who voted for legislation contributing 
to this reversal ought to be ashamed.
  But we all ought to realize, one to another, that something has got 
to be done. We wanted to have, at the time you were going to seek to 
raise the debt, because we know now the budget is in the red this year, 
running in the red to the tune potentially of $140 billion, that is 
almost half a billion dollars more out the door in spending a day than 
we are bringing in, and you were going to ask us in participating in 
raising the debt limit, we had a request for you, a very simple, very 
straightforward request: Show us your plan. Show us your plan to get us 
out of this debt. Show us your plan to get us back to the black. 
Reverse this run of red ink, this shame you have brought upon the 
fiscal policy of this country.
  We deserve that, and the American people deserve that, a discussion 
about what was required by way of raising the debt limit, a discussion 
about a plan and a process to get us back to black, as simple as one, 
two, three: The majority passes their budget, we go into the red, debt 
limit increase required. But show us a plan to get out.
  It is important, it is very important, that we work together to get 
back to the black as soon as possible. There is nothing Republican, 
there is nothing Democrat, about the demographics facing this country. 
Those demographics have a very harsh fact that we ought to think about 
every single day. Seventy-eight million Americans in the year 2010 will 
be within 10 years of turning 65. Within that next decade they will be 
on Medicare. Within that next decade they will be on Social Security. 
Should I be alive, I will be one of them, because we are the great 
baby-boom bulge, about to place a strain on entitlement spending like 
never before.
  Obviously we know this is coming. We can see it in the age trends. We 
have got to prepare. There is no great mystery of fiscal policy to 
prepare for the hit we are about to take. We have got to pay down the 
debt. We have got to make sure the Social Security dollars coming in 
are held for the benefit of Social Security. We have got to prepare.
  Instead, we are doing the worst thing we can do. If paying down the 
debt and making our country fiscally stronger is the best thing, we are 
doing the worst thing. We are taking Social Security revenue and we are 
spending it on other programs; we are taking dollars coming in from 
payroll taxes from the guys working hard every day, counting on that 
Social Security, and we are spending it on other programs. Rather than 
strengthening our fiscal position, we are back into borrowing and 
adding debt onto our country.
  We have to stop this practice. Chickens have a way of coming home to 
roost, and unchecked debt means reduction in Social Security benefits.
  Mr. HILL. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, I support providing whatever funds the President needs 
to fight the war on terrorism. I do not think there is a Republican or 
a Democrat in this body that does not support the President in fighting 
this war on terrorism; all the more reason Congress should not be 
playing politics with this bill, a bill that supplies important funds 
for our fighting men and our fighting women.
  Hiding a huge increase in the national debt limit and an assortment 
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under the cover of darkness, literally in this case, is a political 
game. A $750 billion increase in the national debt requires, for 
heaven's sake, an open and thoughtful debate. A $750 billion increase 
in the national debt requires, surely, an up-or-down vote, not in 
secret. But we are not going to get either one of those offers this 
evening. And to this I say shame on the majority.
  I know all of my constituents expect certain things, regardless of 
their party affiliation: Straight answers and a willingness to be held 
accountable for our actions. They know if they charged their credit 
cards to the limit, they have to pay down their balance or work out an 
arrangement with the credit card companies to get an increase in their 
credit limits. They most certainly cannot write a small note on the 
memo line of their checks to the credit card companies asking those 
same companies to "please raise our credit limits" and expect it to 
  Why should Congress be any different? Why should Congress get to 
operate under a different set of rules? The short answer is that 
Congress is no different and should not be able to operate under a 
different set of rules.
  Congress should be held accountable for this $750 billion increase in 
the debt limit and the actions that have made this increase necessary. 
The days of surpluses are gone, and in a very short time the Social 
Security lockbox has been emptied and the days of deficits and 
borrowing money from the public to pay the government's bills are back. 
Yet the majority has no stomach for taking a step back, looking at the 
whole budget picture, figuring out how we got into this mess and how we 
are going to work to try to get out of this mess.
  My colleague, the gentleman from Kansas (Mr. Moore), and I each 
offered amendments that would have helped restore fiscal discipline to 
the Federal budget process. In fact, the Moore-Spratt amendment would 
have provided limited increases in the debt limit and required Congress 
and the President to develop a plan to balance the budget without 
counting Social Security.
  My amendment would have imposed discipline and accountability in the 
budget process by extending and strengthening the spending limits and 
pay-go rules in the Budget Enforcement Act, something that we have been 
living under for the last several years, something that you all think 
is necessary, that you voted for. And yet you will not allow that 
amendment to be put in this spending measure. My amendment would have 
imposed discipline.
  But both amendments were ruled out of order. Instead of an open 
debate on these amendments and what should be done with the 
government's maxed-out credit card, the majority hid a $750 billion 
increase in the national debt in this important bill. That, I am 
afraid, is an action my constituents would find to be a little less 
than honest.
  I have been told by my colleagues on this side of the aisle that if 
the Democrats would be in the majority this evening and would have been 
offering this bill here this evening, that you on the other side of the 
aisle would be yelling to the heavens against it, that we should not be 
increasing this debt limit. And I have no doubt, I have only been here 
for 2 years, I have no doubt that we have been guilty of what you are 
doing tonight.
  So it is time to put away the foolishness of the past. It is time to 
admit the Democrats in the past have done the wrong thing, and it is 
time for you all to admit, I would hope, in the sense of doing the 
right thing, that we have the opportunity to vote up and down on this 
vote; that we are not doing it in the dead of night; that we do it in a 
way that is honest; that we not resort to the politics as usual; that 
we be bipartisan and straightforward with the American public; and that 
I think the American public would appreciate that.
  Mr. PETRI. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, I rise to point out that under the protocols 
established by the majority leader, the Committee on Rules of this 
House, when it brought rules forward, was to allow committees that are 
authorizing committees if they notified the Committee on Rules of 
concerns they had that represented appropriation that was unauthorized 
on a bill of this sort, that they would be subject to a point of order. 
Unfortunately, that has not been done in a number of cases where things 
that are amounts of money that are not authorized are in fact being 
appropriated out of the Highway Trust Fund.
  We have worked very hard in this body over the last several 
Congresses to reestablish the concept of a Highway Trust Fund; to 
reestablish trust, put trust back in the Highway Trust Fund. And yet 
the legislation, unfortunately, would provide for funding some $19.3 
million for border enforcement activities; a very good program, but one 
that is not authorized from the trust fund. That will mean less money 
available for important transportation needs in our country. It is 
something that should be done out of our general revenue, not out of 
the Highway Trust Fund without an authorization.
  The second thing I would like to point out is that the legislation 
does provide for some $5 million for the Safety Permitting Program to 
come from the Highway Trust Fund. Again, the Safety Permitting Program 
is under the Hazardous Material Program. The HAZMAT Program is funded 
from general funds and is funded out of registration fees.

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  This is something that again will result in less money available for 
transportation needs in this country and will free up funds for other 
programs. I understand the problems that we have, but this is not a 
proper use of the highway trust fund.
  In addition, there are over $4 million being provided for background 
security checks, again out of the highway trust fund. This is not 
something that was contemplated, it has not been authorized, and it 
should not have been done; and I regret it. I want to call it to the 
attention of the Members as this legislation moves forward through the 
process, which I am confident it will do, so that we can, as we refine 
this legislation in conference and it comes back to the floor, maintain 
the principle of integrity of the transportation trust fund that we 
have all worked so hard, really all of us have worked so hard to 
  Ms. SOLIS. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, I am looking at the clock now and wondering what my 
constituents are doing on the west coast in Los Angeles, California; 
and I know that they are probably just finishing up their dinner, and 
maybe not dwelling on what we are doing here in the Congress. But I can 
tell my colleagues that the people in my district would be shocked. 
They would be alarmed to know that language has been inserted in this 
bill that is going to be voted on tonight to allow for a huge increase 
in the national debt limit, and I think it is irresponsible; and I know 
that many of them would feel that same way. Worst yet, it forces us to 
play Russian roulette with the livelihood of our Nation's seniors and 
the future of America's children. Social Security should provide just 
that: security. But by raising the debt limit today, we endanger our 
Nation's safety net which allows our senior citizens to live out their 
golden years with dignity and respect.
  We are playing with the lives of our senior citizens, men and women 
who have worked hard for our Nation and deserve the full benefits of 
Social Security to help pay for their rent, their food, and their 
prescription drugs. We are playing with the lives of our baby boomers, 
who must not only help care for their senior citizen parents, but also 
have to plan for their impending retirements. What about those people?
  We are playing with the lives of our young people who every day pay 
into Social Security, but which may not be there to provide for them 
when they need it.
  Just last year, our Nation enjoyed one of the largest surpluses in 
American history, but then the Bush administration and the Republican 
leadership ran through what I call a reckless series of tax cuts 
designed to provide the most benefit to the richest 1 percent of 
Americans, many of whom are not seen on this floor tonight. By raising 
the debt limit, this administration continues to rob the working poor 
and middle class by stifling them with the additional debt. Raising the 
debt ceiling weakens Social Security for our current senior citizens 
and baby boomers like myself.
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Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neill, predicted that the United States 
would not reach into its debt ceiling until late 2003, but now that the 
Republican leadership has passed its huge tax breaks for the very 
wealthy, we are quickly being forced to juggle our Nation's accounting 
books. Raising the ceiling steals, literally steals hundreds of 
billions of dollars from the Social Security trust fund, from that fund 
which my parents rely on right now. It is a backwards Robin Hood 
policy, stealing from the poor and our Nation's seniors to give to the 
  Mr. Chairman, every day Americans pay $1 billion in interest on our 
national debt. That is about 16 cents for every dollar we pay into 
taxes. Raising the debt ceiling will do nothing to alleviate the 
problem; it just gets worse.
  I am staunchly opposed to this plan. I support a responsible budget 
that makes needed investments in our national security, protects our 
Social Security, Medicare, and does not saddle our children and our 
grandchildren with enormous national debt.
  Mr. BERRY. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, there are a lot of good things in this bill. It will 
provide appropriations to help us fight the war on terrorism. It will 
provide some good things for our veterans. All of these are things that 
we all support. But I have to tell my colleagues, Mr. Chairman, the way 
that the attempt is being made to deceive the American people in the 
dark of night to make it possible to add to the debt of our children 
and grandchildren, to steal the Social Security trust fund, to endanger 
the well-being of our senior citizens makes me want a dip of snuff, and 
I do not even use tobacco.
  I grew up in a community where there were a lot of bootleggers. They 
look like paragons of virtue compared to this crowd. The great country 
music singer Merle Haggard wrote a song called "Rainbow Stew." I just 
want to paraphrase this. He said, "When a Member of Congress goes 
through the Capitol door and does what he says he will do, we will all 
be drinking that free Bubble-up and eating that rainbow stew."
  Well, I am here to tell my colleagues we are getting fed a big pot of 
rainbow stew tonight.
  If this is an emergency wartime appropriations bill, why does it have 
a stealth effort to raise the debt ceiling to put more debt on our 
children and grandchildren? Why does it do that? If that is what this 
is about, why do we not just have an appropriations bill? We do not 
need one of these chicken-hearted rules that allows for some kind of 
stealth effort to put more debt on our children and grandchildren, to 
threaten our senior citizens with losing their Social Security. Why 
would we want to do something like this? Why not have a vote up or down 
on whether or not to raise the debt ceiling?
  Let us face reality. All the money is gone. It has all been spent. 
This time last year we had money in the bank. We were paying off debt. 
I remember so well the Director of the Office of Management and Budget 
coming to the Blue Dogs and saying, our greatest fear is that we are 
going to have so much money that we are going to pay off all the debt 
and there will not be any U.S. Treasury bonds. Well, dear heart, you 
can rest easy tonight. There is going to be a U.S. Treasury bond 
available for as far as anybody can imagine, and our children and 
grandchildren are going to have to pay it off. That is not right.
  I can tell my colleagues that they may do it just because they have 
more votes; but my colleagues are not going to do it without me coming 
to this well and raising the issue, and I am not going to go back home 
and face my children and grandchildren. I am not going to look at my 
three grandchildren, and they are to me just as dear as anything can 
possibly be, just like everybody's grandchildren are, and let them look 
at me 20 years from now, if I am still around, and say, Granddaddy, why 
did you not do something about that? Why did you let that happen? Why 
did you put this debt on us? Why did you destroy this country over the 
only reason you had that was to stay in power and reduce taxes on the 
wealthiest people in this country? Why did you do that?
  When I have to face that question, I at least will be able to stand 
before them and say, I did everything I could do; but we were not in 
the majority. We did not have any control over that.
  I ask my colleagues to think about what they are doing. Think about 
what they are doing. All we ask is for my Republican colleagues to sit 
down with us in this bipartisan spirit I have heard so much about, and 
if this is bipartisanship, I am a space scientist, and everybody who 
knows me knows that is not true.
  We hear about bipartisanship, but yet we have this single-handed 
attempt to cram this down our throats. Let us sit down in a bipartisan 
way. Let us do an honest budget. Let us recognize what we are doing and 
not steal from our children, our grandchildren, and our senior citizens 
to do it.
  Mr. Chairman, I urge my colleagues not to pass this bill.
  Mr. BARTON of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  (Mr. BARTON of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and 
extend his remarks.)
  Mr. BARTON of Texas. Mr. Chairman, I really had not intended to speak 
tonight on the supplemental appropriation, but I have been locked out 
of my office due to my own inability to remember my keys, so I have had 
no recourse but to sit on the floor and actually listen to the debate, 
which is a very enlightening experience.
  Now, I got elected in 1984. From 1985 in January when I got sworn in, 
to 1995 in January, when the first Republican majority took this House 
in over 40 years, there was one balanced budget presented to the House 
of Representatives to vote on. One, in the first 10 years that I was a 
Member of this body serving in the minority, and that was the budget 
that President Reagan supported. I think it got 13 votes, and I voted 
for it. There was a reception down at the White House and President 
Reagan asked all of the folks that were willing to vote for a balanced 
budget to come down, and I believe there were 13 of us. I think all 13 
were Republicans, but it is possible that there were one or two 
Democrats, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Hall) and perhaps the 
gentleman from Texas (Mr. Stenholm). I would have to go back and look 
at that.
  So the first point I want to make about that is that when my good 
friends who are in the minority tonight were in the majority, they did 
not present any balanced budgets for the American people; they did not 
present any balanced budgets on the House floor. Now, when the 
Republicans got into the majority, we did. In fact, I remember when 
President Clinton was in office, we had a partial government shutdown 
because the Republicans were insisting that there be a balanced budget; 
and at least in that first year, President Clinton said, balanced 
budgets do not count. We do not need a balanced budget. He later 
changed his position, and we got balanced budgets; and I will say for 
the record that both Republicans and Democrats voted for those balanced 
  Now we are at a point in our Nation's history where we have had a 
recession, we have to fight the war on terrorism, we have had to 
present some budgets that are unbalanced. But let us think about that. 
There are actually two parts to a Federal budget. There is the 
discretionary spending budget, and this year that budget is about $769 
billion, $759 billion, somewhere in that range; and then there is an 
entitlement portion of the budget, and that entitlement portion of the 
budget is over $1 trillion. Then there is interest on the national 
debt, and that portion of the budget is over $200 billion.
  Now, I have brought to the floor, in the time that I have been a 
Member of this House, budget process reform bills to change the way we 
do budgeting, and I had good support from the Democrats in those 
efforts, trying to change the budget process itself. But under the 
system that we are operating under today, we cannot do anything about 
the entitlement part of the budget; we can only do something about the 
discretionary part of the budget.
  The chairman of the Committee on Appropriations has moved heaven and 
Earth to hold the line on discretionary spending. I am told that the 
increase from last year to this year in the budget resolution, in the 
budget the appropriators are working on, is 1 percent, 1 percent.

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of the room, the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Nussle), presented a budget 
on the floor that has held the line on discretionary spending. So we 
are going through the budget process under rules that I think need to 
be fixed. I want to fix them. I talked to the Speaker of the House 
yesterday about fixing them.
  But under this budget resolution, the budget resolution that we are 
operating under, we cannot do anything about entitlements. We can only 
do something about discretionary spending. This supplemental spending 
bill that is before us this evening is somewhere between $27.1 billion 
and a little over $29 billion in supplemental discretionary spending. 
That is a good number, and we should vote for that and then work 
together on a bipartisan basis to reform the budget process later on so 
that we can do something about the larger issue.
  Mr. Chairman, let us keep in mind that there is politics and there is 
policy. The policy embedded in this supplemental appropriation bill is 
a good policy. We should vote for it.
  Mr. ARMEY. Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
  Mr. Chairman, I have taken this time in order to discuss the schedule 
for the rest of the evening and, indeed, the rest of the week with the 
Members of this body.
  Mr. Chairman, let me begin by apologizing to all the Members of this 
body. It had been my hope and my expectation that we would be able to 
complete our work for the week and our work on this bill this evening.
  Given that expectation, which seemed reasonable at the time, it was 
me who advised so many of you to go ahead and make your travel plans so 
that you could return to your district work periods in your respective 
districts across the country as early as possible tomorrow. We are all 
anxious to get home to be with our families, to be with our 
constituents, and to take up that important work we have scheduled in 
our districts.
  However, it seems that there are a large number of Members of the 
body that do not have that desire to get home, and have decided they 
would like to prolong this debate and discuss any number of matters. We 
could go on through the evening. We could work all night. But, Mr. 
Chairman, there would be nothing productive, worthwhile, or 
contributing to the well-being of this Nation if we spent our time in 
that way.
  Far better, I would think, for us to go ahead and complete our work 
for the evening, rise from the committee, and then resume our work 
tomorrow. It being a Thursday, we will not be able to resume our work 
before 10 a.m. I can only make my commitment to the Members of the body 
that I and the other Members of the leadership, I am sure, on both 
sides of the aisle will do everything we can to work out whatever 
agreements might be possible so that we might be able to complete our 
work at a reasonable time tomorrow, so that people might be able to 
reschedule their planes and their travel arrangements, and perhaps make 
it home by even possibly Friday for their district work period.
  The distinguished chairman of the committee, the gentleman from 
Florida (Mr. Young), is a man of an extraordinary high ability and good 
heart, as is the distinguished ranking member, the gentleman from 
Wisconsin (Mr. Obey). I have every confidence that given the 
encouragement we might give these two gentlemen, we might find them 
capable of coming in tomorrow and working out an agreement between 
themselves and others who have amendments that might pend so that we 
can accommodate to the desire of the Members to complete this work.
  I must say, however, that failure to arrive at these kinds of 
agreements would result in our staying through Friday, through 
Saturday, if necessary. I would hope that is not necessary. I know we 
all have family and constituents that we long to see. But this is about 
funding the war on terrorism and the security of this Nation. I am sure 
there is nobody in this body that wants to go home without completing 
this bill.
  Mr. Chairman, while I will ask the Chairman of the Committee to rise 
from our work this evening and resume it in the morning, it is, again, 
as I said before, with my most sincere apology to all of the Members on 
both sides of the aisle who made travel plans based on my assurances 
that they will have to reschedule them, and it is my sincere hope and 
belief that we will be able to tell Members a timetable in the morning 
that will make it possible for them to reschedule in a manner that will 
be, let's say, accommodating to Members and their families and their 
travel plans.
  I hope Members have a special evening. Let me just say as a final 
note, the Colorado Avalanche is winning tonight, so all is not lost.
  Mr. YOUNG of Florida. Mr. Chairman, I move that the Committee do now 
  The motion was agreed to.
  Accordingly, the Committee rose; and the Speaker pro tempore (Mr. 
Isakson) having assumed the chair, Mr. Thornberry, Chairman of the 
Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union, reported that 
that Committee, having had under consideration the bill (H.R. 4775) 
making supplemental appropriations for further recovery from and 
response to terrorist attacks on the United States for the fiscal year 
ending September 30, 2002, and for other purposes, had come to no 
resolution thereon.